Eric, thanks for the offer. Those look nice but not exactly what I'm 
looking for.

Mackenzy, awesome bike! Looks like a lot of fun, thanks for sharing.

Erik, good point about the Kilo WT. I actually have a few TT's in my attic 
collecting dust. Fun bikes but they've fallen out of favor for me lately.

Max, I'll drop you a line. A Simpleone is more along the lines of what I'm 
looking for.

Bones



On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 9:55:58 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Eric, that's very useful and very surprising, to me at any rate; 
> $500?? Even for a stout frame with toothpaste welding beads. Their frames 
> won't be any stouter than the Monocog or the Fargo steel or Krampus I've 
> looked at, and since the whole point of the frame is to get something that 
> can exploit the full 3" fatness of the Rangers at 12 or 13 psi, I expect 
> that ride will suffer very little compared to thinner steel.
>
> I'd be interested to hear of others who have dealt with Marino.
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 7:46 PM Eric Daume <eric...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Marino is a legit builder. Based on my n=1 experience, expect to pay 
>> about $4-500 and wait 5-6 months to get it. 
>>
>> But expect a more workmanlike burly frame, not a Jan Heine refined thin 
>> wall cruiser. They hit my geo right on, but even with relatively skinny 
>> tubing (for an mtb) my frame has kind of a heavy ride with a somewhat harsh 
>> rear end. Not a lot of compliance here. But at $400ish, I can’t complain. 
>>
>> Eric 
>>
>> On Friday, November 5, 2021, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:28 PM Mackenzy Albright <mackenzy...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> if you have a bit of patience and feel like being creative you could 
>>>> just get a custom made - 
>>>> https://www.marinobike.com/product/custom-gravel-fixed-cyclocross-frame/
>>>
>>>
>>> MacKenzy: Are you familiar with Marino? Are they legit, and is the 
>>> website and price list up to date? I ask because this jumped out at me:
>>>
>>> *Description: A full custom geometry TIG welded frame starts at 
>>>  US$280. Building time frame: 14 weeks*
>>>
>>> Is that a typo, and should it be $2800? Or are these prices from 2005? 
>>> I'd immediately guess "yes" except, look at the prices he quotes for 
>>> *worldwide* frame shipping! $110 for 1, $150 for 2. 
>>>
>>> Can you say? Anyone else?
>>>
>>> He seems to offer frames for 700C X 3" wheels, and that's what I'm 
>>> hoping to get in replacement for the Monocog so I can use the true 3" width 
>>> of the WTB Rangers (currently at about 71 mm on the skinny 24 mm ED Alex 
>>> rims).
>>>
>>> Thanks.
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