Laura,
I  can put the Clem L in the category you are searching just to muddy the 
waters. Mine is the Lime Olive and is set up 1x10 with knobby tires, 2.3 
wide I believe. It is equally efficient on trails, gravel and asphalt. It 
climbs unbelievably for a 32 pound bicycle. In fact, it has made me rethink 
the weight of a bike being a significant factor in climbing and 
accelerating. 
Doug
Athens, Ga

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 7:33:05 AM UTC-5 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> EDIT…
>
> Jarad = Jared
>
> Lime green = Lime olive
>
> 2022 orange Platypus = my prediction
>
> On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-5 Laura B wrote:
>
>> Jarad, thank you for your insights. I have to laugh because the answers 
>> have made me confident that either bike will be a great all-rounder, but 
>> the answers have also made me yearn for both!
>>
>> So, I am back to square one. Loving both bikes for their potential to 
>> compliment one another, but having no idea which one I like best as an 
>> all-rounder! Shallow me… the orange of the current Susie was easily tipping 
>> the balance in that direction. When they announced the current colors, it 
>> placed both bikes on equal ground. I have no doubt I will sweat it out 
>> till the last minute! I also predict I will buy a lime green Susie in 2021, 
>> then go nuts when an orange Platypus is released in 2022!!!
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:27:52 PM UTC-5 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the 
>>> limitations of either.
>>>
>>> I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type of 
>>> riding you describe with ease.
>>>
>>> The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger 
>>> tire to take full advantage of its potential.
>>>
>>> The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in a 
>>> way that leaves you wanting for nothing.
>>>
>>> I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, where 
>>> as the Plat handles similar loads with ease.
>>>
>>> All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my 
>>> previous size L.
>>>
>>> I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as well, I 
>>> feel there is enough difference between the two to justify owning both, tho 
>>> I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time.
>>>
>>> Best of luck with whatever you choose
>>>
>>> Jared in SLO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes are 
>>>> multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire size out 
>>>> of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the 
>>>> comparison. 
>>>> I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without fenders. Still 
>>>> curious to hear about ride quality from real world experience. Anyone 
>>>> riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? Or picking their Platypus 
>>>> for off-road trails?
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Laura, welcome!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The max 
>>>>> listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The Susie 
>>>>> goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of air 
>>>>> between 
>>>>> trail and rim. 
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is 
>>>>> both! Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the current 
>>>>> models - will happily do all the riding you've described, so I think 
>>>>> you'll 
>>>>> need to weigh other factors: tire size, color, lugs or fillet joints, 
>>>>> higher toptube or lower (I'm into lower), and availability. Heck, you can 
>>>>> choose based on the name you like best! 🙂
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Bernard
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 months 
>>>>>> more for a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and parts are 
>>>>>> back-ordered as well, so buying a frame now will still involve waiting 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> get all of the components. Although, I am trying to make my mind up fast 
>>>>>> incase I decide on a Susie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig welded 
>>>>>> version. Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already have one in 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> vintage MTB category.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the same, 
>>>>>>  how do the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is one of the 
>>>>>> bikes 
>>>>>> a better all-rounder???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame 
>>>>>>> that will be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as well? 
>>>>>>> Would 
>>>>>>> that possibly be something that would fit the bill for Laura? 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Laura! 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, 
>>>>>>> but I do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as 
>>>>>>> Susie). I 
>>>>>>> won’t speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my 
>>>>>>> bikes 
>>>>>>> are set up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing guys riding 
>>>>>>> Platys all over the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? 
>>>>>>> Because there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell 
>>>>>>> soon, 
>>>>>>> like this month, but there will be no Platypuses until middle to late 
>>>>>>> 2022. 
>>>>>>> (Rivendell says May 2022, but their bikes always seem a couple/few 
>>>>>>> months 
>>>>>>> delayed. Last year they said Platys would come October, then November, 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> so on and so forth. They actually came in April or May of the next 
>>>>>>> year.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, 
>>>>>>> Platys will arrive later in 2022.
>>>>>>> L
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which 
>>>>>>>> Rivendell bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a 
>>>>>>>> Susie 
>>>>>>>> Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or 
>>>>>>>> have 
>>>>>>>> turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, 
>>>>>>>> I 
>>>>>>>> would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed 
>>>>>>>> sand. Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie 
>>>>>>>> for trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” 
>>>>>>>> all-terrain 
>>>>>>>> tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the 
>>>>>>>> differences 
>>>>>>>> be minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed for?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help,
>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>
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