There are definitely several ways to design a bike that is 'stiff enough' for the application. I'm a fan of that long mixte look also, but I like the 2TT look, too. For whatever reason, the one that I visually don't like at all is the curvy tube beach-cruiser look.
On May 5, 4:58 pm, eflayer <eddie.fla...@att.net> wrote: > i am not a loaded tourer. Aesthetically, given a choice, I'd choose > that "mixte" approach to stiffening way before the "current" Riv > approach to double top tubes. > > On May 5, 2:22 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > The 2TT has almost nothing to do with strength and almost everything > > to do with stiffness under cargo load. > > > A campeur didn't get extra tubes because Randonneurs were breaking > > their frames: > > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicigirl/4037516334/ > > > A stiffer frame just responds to load better. My 56 Hillborne is > > really floppy when my saddlesack Large is stuffed and I'm out of the > > saddle. The whole frame twists from that rocking load. If you never > > load the Sam with cargo, you'll likely never notice and never need > > it. I considered trying to buy the 2TT lugs that Riv built for the > > Hunqa so I can have a second top tube installed if I ever repaint my > > Sam. I'm glad they are offering the option. In the meantime I'm > > buying a Hunqa, and have a Bombadil, so I'll set up the Sam lighter, > > more like a road bike so it wont need the stiffening, as you pointed > > out. > > > On May 5, 11:29 am, MichaelH <mhech...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Me too. I can't think of any reason to put a double top tube on a > > > road bike, and even on a mt. bike it is overkill for all but the most > > > extreme users. I wouldn't consider buying a bike with a double top > > > tube. How many failures has Grant experienced with the top tubes on > > > the Atlantis - Rambouillet - AHH? Or even the Heron. I'll bet it's > > > pretty close to zero, and if there was one it was due to workmanship, > > > not a design flaw. > > > > Michael > > > > On May 3, 9:25 pm, eflayer <eddie.fla...@att.net> wrote: > > > > > i am a bit more perplexed by the mention of two top tubes? a new > > > > viral advertising campaign for new stuff from Riv. I can be with > > > > that. Grant is the master. > > > > > On May 3, 6:07 pm, Johnny Alien <johnnyal...@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > > > It sounds like there are some 56 and 60's coming in now from Taiwan. > > > > > They sell for $1000 and come with BB and seatpost and use sidepulls. > > > > > > Then after that the SH frame will be made by Waterford and come with a > > > > > Taiwan fork. No BB or seatpost and made for canti brakes....priced at > > > > > $1250. > > > > > > I am not sure what the 56 and 60's from Waterford by special request > > > > > means. I assume all sizes will be orange. > > > > > > They are more expensive but I find this news exciting. > > > > > > On May 3, 9:01 pm, eflayer <eddie.fla...@att.net> wrote: > > > > > > > just posted to the Riv site. > > > > > > > Waterford is building Hillbornes? Larger ones will have two top > > > > > > tubes? Two top tubes on a 56 cm frame? > > > > > > > "Here's what's coming: > > > > > > Orange, side-pull, 56cm and 60cm Sam Hillborne frames arriving from > > > > > > Taiwan mid June. $1000. Frames are available! > > > > > > > All other sizes becoming available in mid to late May from > > > > > > Waterford. > > > > > > Taiwan fork, Waterford frame. Same orange. $1250. No bb or > > > > > > seatpost. 56cm and 60cm Waterford Sam Hillborne frames also > > > > > > available > > > > > > on request. 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