I'm curious as to how much load you folks are putting on the kickstand? When I bought my triplet/quad Co-Motion Periscope Trident, the shop talked me into letting them install a kickstand. My son was 3.5 years old at the time. After about 3 years of use the kickstand bent and I ditched it and haven't missed it whatsoever. It rattled, worked itself loose, and simply wasn't worth the effort (it was a double-legged Pletscher), but the kickstand plate never had an issue. Bear in mind that the triplet was 65 pounds empty, and when loaded with a touring load would exceed 80 pounds. I know Rivendells have a reputation for being heavy but I doubt if any of them compare to my Co-Motion.
On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:42:51 AM UTC-8 J J wrote: > Thanks for kicking the kickstand plates to a new thread, Joe!! I'm sorry I > veered off your original topic, Leah! > > I looked back at the email exchanges I had with Riv about the severed > plate. Below I included the photo I had sent them. > > Their responses were interesting: > > 1. The kickstand plate on Hunq is *designed for the singles* (my > emphasis added) > 2. The doubles have more torque and are heavier so it tends to peel > the plate back after a lot of use. > 3. Yes, you can definitely just use the chainstay sandwich set and > it'll be problem solved. Run the long bolt through the plate and it'll be > good to go. It's not a load bearing connection so don't worry about it > peeling back. > 4. A competent welder could fix it easily, but I wouldn't even worry > about it. > > What I wonder about is at what point Rivendell determined that the plate > was designed for single kickstands on the Hunq. I suspect they were > surprised to see numerous instances of these peeling plate problems > because Riv tends to over-engineer and overbuild things. If it was > *originally* designed for singles, I don’t think Riv would have sold me a > double and installed it on my Hunq as part of my original purchase order, > parts list they recommended, and build they did for me. > > Whether designed for single or double kickstands, I did not take any > chances on subsequent bikes in this household: on the Wilbury I used a > chainstay sandwich mounting set even though it is a single kickstand. (See > second photo.) It's not as elegant as mounting directly to the built-on > plate, but it does give some peace of mind. > > Leah, as far as your phone mount goes, I think your bars are probably safe > if you're tightening it by hand. Even if your forearms are as strong as > Popeye's, I suspect that the mount itself would break before you could > torque it down enough by hand to impact the Billie bars. The chainstay > mashing can happen with sufficient torque that can only come from the > leverage you can get with a wrench. I'm not sure even Popeye could mash the > steel chain stays by hand :) > > > [image: Hunq kickstand plate.jpg] > > [image: Wilbury kickstand.jpg] > > On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 7:33:20 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! > wrote: > >> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and ruining >> the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount that affixes >> to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie Bars! I find >> myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder if it’s >> because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an opinion >> here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what it’s worth.) >> [image: image0.jpeg] >> >> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <kaivi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241 >> >> Save the plate! Add some weight! >> -Kai >> >> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: >> >>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer >>> Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. >>> >>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a >>> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience with >>> both is this: >>> >>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike up, I'm >>> familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight torquing on the >>> stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on Clem >>> completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the bike >>> fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as I >>> start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand wants >>> to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the single-legger is >>> warning me before the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double will let >>> you load all day until the plate gives up. >>> >>> Whaddyathink? >>> >>> Joe Bernard >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/cCxr_1kwTm0/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6c17c3da-8f87-4597-b5a5-8e87f438fcfcn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6c17c3da-8f87-4597-b5a5-8e87f438fcfcn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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