David, I've matched a beautiful IRD Defiant 94 BCD (I think my only
crankset that didn't come from you 😉 ) with 46 /30 rings and an early
2000s 960 DA XTR front derailer. It all works perfectly together.

Cheers / Jock Dewey

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 11:48 AM David Hallerman <cyclema...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the originally
> 8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact doubles I run
> on many of my bikes.
>
> I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact doubles,
> like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?
>
> Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks curiosity
> +++++
> Hudson Valley NY
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin <spokenhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 20th
>> century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - shifting
>> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>>
>> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA
>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Aaron and Scott,
>>>
>>> I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is a
>>> 2005 (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on mounted one
>>> so I bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it shifts
>>> beautifully.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by space
>>>> between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?
>>>>
>>>> Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? I'm
>>>> building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a FD for it.
>>>> Think I just found some direction...
>>>>
>>>> Scott
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small
>>>> reminders are the best.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Aaron in El Paso
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected.
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker <jwri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' is any
>>>> trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and must have a
>>>> special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's recycling system is
>>>> complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect of it.
>>>>
>>>> It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- beautiful
>>>> furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, bicycles. While
>>>> technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, during my two
>>>> years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles from the
>>>> gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era Bottechia
>>>> racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a Dura-ace groupset. The
>>>> Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than a dozen times, and
>>>> the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The Japanese tend to treat their
>>>> goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia was no exception.
>>>>
>>>> Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes,
>>>> while very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before offering
>>>> up the frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left with a
>>>> beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech.
>>>>
>>>> Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my
>>>> Atlantis and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works
>>>> beautifully with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.
>>>>
>>>> I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most civilized of
>>>> countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal about exploring the
>>>> mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash adorning my bicycle.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, John
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