John, I've never been to Japan! But I've collected a few tidbits in the 
olde mental filing cabinet. 

I'd love to do some riding in Japan one day, hopefully with some 
shinrin-yoku included. 

On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 6:46:35 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Groovy, Eric! That's on the island of Shikoku. Have you lived in Japan?
>
> Very cool article on the Zero Waste facility. I was, however, nonplussed 
> by this statement: "Kamikatsu's main industry was once forestry, but all 
> that remains of this today are neglected cedar forests." The many cedar 
> forests that I spent time in while in Japan were anything but. I do believe 
> the Japanese have the wisdom to understand the difference between humans 
> managing a forest and letting a forest manage itself. In addition, the 
> Japanese can see clearly beyond the idea of wood being the singular 
> resource of a forest. Shinrin-yoku, forest bathing, is a deep, active 
> cultural practice. Another of my favorite things about living in Japan.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 9:36:29 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I might have shared this somewhere else on the forum a while back but I'm 
>> also reminded of the stunning recycling center in Kamikatsu that's built 
>> mostly from recycled materials. More info and pictures here.  
>> <https://www.dezeen.com/2021/11/09/kamikatsu-zero-waste-center-hiroshi-nakamura-architecture/>
>>
>> [image: 
>> kamikatsu-zero-waste-center-hiroshi-nakamura-architecture_dezeen_2364_col_0-1704x1136.jpg]
>>
>> [image: 
>> kamikatsu-zero-waste-center-hiroshi-nakamura-architecture-1704x1136.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:34:36 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> I love rescuing stuff from the trash, my friend Gil and I have done this 
>>> for years and we are often subtly one-upping one another with stuff we find 
>>> in dumpsters and on the side of the road. Among my best finds: a fully 
>>> functional, late-model Kitchen Aid stand mixer, a Lightspeed carbon tri 
>>> bike with full Dura Ace and a quilted Ciocc with Campy Athena. Also found a 
>>> new Japanese hand hoe in a dumpster, not of great value but beautiful and 
>>> useful (I was working on an organic farm at the time). 
>>>
>>> This poster detailing waste disposal in Osaka, Japan is like a fentanyl 
>>> patch laid gently on my nucleus accumbens. They really take great care. 
>>>
>>> [image: DKMBRmcXcAAIBhz.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 12:41:52 AM UTC-5 rus...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’ve used a 2016 Campagnolo Chorus FD with 46 x 34 and 46 x 30 doubles 
>>>> with good results. The Chorus derailleur was originally from a 52 x 39 
>>>> setup. 
>>>>
>>>> Russell Duncan 
>>>> Leverett, MA USA
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 4:46:03 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For my Rivendell Custom, I use a Dura-Ace FD-7800 (31.8 integral 
>>>>> clamp, 10-speed era) with my RenéHERSE 42-26 double. Chain is a Dura-Ace 
>>>>> 11 speed (ultrasonically cleaned and waxed), cassette is a Dura-Ace 12-28 
>>>>> 11 speed. Rear derailleur is a Dura-Ace RD-7700GS (large pulleys, 9-speed 
>>>>> era). Friction shifted with frame mounted Silver-1 shifters. Everything 
>>>>> works the way it should. 25 to 95 gear range. Basically a 1x system (40 
>>>>> to 
>>>>> 95) on the 42T with a 26T granny bail-out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laing
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 2:48:03 PM UTC-5 David Hallerman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s much like how I’ve found Dura-Ace FDs of that era, the 
>>>>>> originally 8-speed 7410 in specific, are perfect for the 48/34 compact 
>>>>>> doubles I run on many of my bikes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder how those late 20th century FDs would do with subcompact 
>>>>>> doubles, like a 46/30. Has anyone here done that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave, who has his first 46/30 crankset incoming which sparks 
>>>>>> curiosity 
>>>>>> +++++
>>>>>> Hudson Valley NY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 9:42 PM Mike Godwin <spoke...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John discovered the older FD magic. All my bikes have older (late 
>>>>>>> 20th century) generally two-ring FDs - Campy, Suntour, Shimano - 
>>>>>>> shifting 
>>>>>>> triples. I really like the aesthetics and function.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike "scrounging the bike kitchen for gems" Godwin SLO CA 
>>>>>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:48:30 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Aaron and Scott,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll snap a photo when I'm out and about tomorrow. The Atlantis is 
>>>>>>>> a 2005 (I believe)Toyo Scott, regarding the FD, it was a braze-on 
>>>>>>>> mounted 
>>>>>>>> one so I bought an 28.6 clamp for it. No fussing around with it and it 
>>>>>>>> shifts beautifully.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 5:34:58 PM UTC-8 Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wanna see a full size pic, too, please! Toyo or MIT? Judging by 
>>>>>>>>> space between rear wheel and seat tube, probably Toyo?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Such a handsome FD! Clamp size is 31.8? No fussing to mount it? 
>>>>>>>>> I'm building a new 62cm MIT Atlantis right now and am on hunt for a 
>>>>>>>>> FD for 
>>>>>>>>> it. Think I just found some direction...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing and teaching me about Gomi. Sometimes small 
>>>>>>>>> reminders are the best.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aaron in El Paso
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> p.s. a full size photo of the Atlantis is now expected. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 17:34, John Rinker <jwri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One interesting thing about living in Japan is the gomi. 'Gomi' 
>>>>>>>>> is any trash/refuse/garbage that is bigger than a toaster oven and 
>>>>>>>>> must 
>>>>>>>>> have a special tag in order for it to be disposed of. Japan's 
>>>>>>>>> recycling 
>>>>>>>>> system is complicated but effective, and the gomi is just one aspect 
>>>>>>>>> of it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It never ceased to amaze me what can be found in the gomi- 
>>>>>>>>> beautiful furniture, golf clubs, karaoke machines, and, yes, 
>>>>>>>>> bicycles. 
>>>>>>>>> While technically one is not supposed to take things from the gomi, 
>>>>>>>>> during 
>>>>>>>>> my two years in Japan, I couldn't resist pulling a number of bicycles 
>>>>>>>>> from 
>>>>>>>>> the gomi including a brand new Tern folding bicycle and a 1990s-era 
>>>>>>>>> Bottechia racing bicycle, handmade with Columbus tubing and a 
>>>>>>>>> Dura-ace 
>>>>>>>>> groupset. The Bottechia looked as though it had been ridden less than 
>>>>>>>>> a 
>>>>>>>>> dozen times, and the Dura-Ace (7400) is in mint condition. The 
>>>>>>>>> Japanese 
>>>>>>>>> tend to treat their goods with care and respect, and the Bottechia 
>>>>>>>>> was no 
>>>>>>>>> exception. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alas, the frame was far too small for me and Italian racing bikes, 
>>>>>>>>> while very beautiful don't really fit my style of riding. Before 
>>>>>>>>> offering 
>>>>>>>>> up the frame to a local shop, I did strip all the parts and was left 
>>>>>>>>> with a 
>>>>>>>>> beautiful group of Shimano's finest road mech. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fast forward to last week, when I swapped out the crankset on my 
>>>>>>>>> Atlantis and found that the beautiful Dura-Ace front derailleur works 
>>>>>>>>> beautifully with the Rene Herse triple...even in the snow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I miss so much about living in Japan, to my mind the most 
>>>>>>>>> civilized of countries, but I'm delighted to know that as I pedal 
>>>>>>>>> about 
>>>>>>>>> exploring the mountains of BC I'll have a bit of Japanese trash 
>>>>>>>>> adorning my 
>>>>>>>>> bicycle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers, John
>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_0058.jpeg]
>>>>>>>>>
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