I own a root beer Ram, but it has S&S couplers and was repainted by Bilenky 
by its prior owner.  

On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 6:16:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes, I was trying to guess at what kind of custom Curt Goodrich had built. 
> You're probably right that it's a sport tourer; I've always liked his 'own 
> brand' work and would love to score one someday. 
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 2:56:45 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Joe
>>
>> I'm not super clear on what you are asking me to guess about regarding 
>> the Goodrich.  I don't know anything about Goodrich models, or if there is 
>> such a thing as a Goodrich model.  If they are all custom, then my guess is 
>> that the bike pictured with Goodrich decals is in fact a frame made by Curt 
>> Goodrich.  The lugs look "early Rivish", and I know Curt Goodrich made a 
>> lot of the early custom Rivendells.  Maybe it's an early Riv custom, Curt 
>> made it, and then the buyer wanted Curt to repaint it, with Goodrich 
>> decals.  
>>
>> It doesn't look like a cyclocross race bike to me, like a Legolas, for 
>> example.  It looks more like a sport-touring rig, like maybe it's trying to 
>> be a lighter version of an early 2000s 700c Atlantis.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:57:56 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> What's your guess on the Goodrich, Bill? Cyclocrosser? 
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 12:49:11 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is definitely some detective work to be done on these bikes, 
>>>> since the seller doesn't seem to know anything about them.
>>>>
>>>> The Rambouillet looks off, but in a way I think I can guess at 
>>>> explaining.  Ram's were by definition 700c bikes with medium reach brakes 
>>>> and fit 700x32 tires or thereabouts.  This one has very chubby tires and 
>>>> long reach brakes with pads at the very ends of the slots.  That makes me 
>>>> suspect that is a 650B converted Ram.  Rams came in even cm sizes, and 
>>>> that 
>>>> head tube height makes me guess it is maybe a 62cm.  It's maybe a 60cm,  
>>>> Almost definitely not a 58.  
>>>>
>>>> Assuming the orange Rivendell Custom is around the same size, those are 
>>>> probably 26" wheels.  That's my guess
>>>>
>>>> The dark grey cantilever Hilsen is sort of off-menu, because it has 
>>>> cantilevers.  The wheels also look smallish.  My guess is that was 
>>>> actually 
>>>> the largest Canti-'Luki (Saluki), which would have been a 62cm.  Then, 
>>>> when 
>>>> the owner wanted a repaint, the Saluki decals weren't around, but Hilsen 
>>>> ones were.  The Saluki became the 650B Hilsen around 2010.  
>>>>
>>>> Those are lovely lovely bikes.  
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 9:42:52 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all. A local STL fellow just posted some bikes 
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/591659724221291/permalink/5766806640039881/>
>>>>>  
>>>>> for sale locally. I just talked with him and am going to go look at them. 
>>>>> There are a couple frames I'm not familiar with. Since this is where all 
>>>>> the experts are, is there anything I should be looking for? I assume the 
>>>>> grey AHH and the brown Ram are custom paint jobs. Is the orange one 
>>>>> likely 
>>>>> custom or an early Riv? And thoughts on the Goodrich? They all look to be 
>>>>> fairly similar builds, and I'm wondering if nothing differentiates when I 
>>>>> ride them, if I should consider anything else before buying (assuming the 
>>>>> boss OKs it. Ha). I do see the brakes are different on the AHH models. 
>>>>> Thanks, everyone.
>>>>
>>>>

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