That should have been "advertised 46cm chainstay". On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:44:29 PM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
> For years, RBW's geometry for the 54cm Hunqapillar was incorrect in saying > it had a 58cm ETT when in fact, it had a 59.9 cm ETT. I have a schematic > of the 54 Hunqapillar with the 59.9 length and it also shows 47cm > chainstays, instead of the advertised 56cm. I confirmed with Will that the > 59.9 ETT is correct. > > [image: Copy of 00.jpg] > > On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 3:28:29 PM UTC-6 Mackenzy Albright wrote: > >> One thing i've been curious about is the geometry changes over time. >> >> It seems the Hunqapillars were generally a bit shorter TT's and >> relatively traditional geometry while the Bombadils ran long (I'm assuming >> meant more for non drops?). Eventually all Rivendells started getting >> loooonger and more swept back bar designed. The Hunqapillars took over the >> Bombadils in terms of production. Which is funny because I was always under >> the impression hunqs were cheaper bombas, but the top tubes have always >> from what i've seen been longer on the bombas. >> >> It seems to me the 58 hunqs and bombas were around 61-62 and the 60 (?) >> were 62-64? is this correct? It seems the charts vary as well as peoples >> physical measurements (especially with the sloping tubes) >> >> Has anyone ridden or tried out different length variations or a >> hunqapillar and a bombadil in terms of drop bar oriented or swept back >> oriented designs? >> >> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:15:25 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for these, Max, John's build and pics are simply delicious. >>> >>> Very sweet bike and poster/postcard combo, Jennings! I'd rock a Hunq tee >>> shirt with that design. >>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 3:22:33 PM UTC-5 Jennings wrote: >>> >>>> Ill play along. I've had my 58 Hunqapillar since 2010. Its my >>>> absolute favorite bike even over the Trek 720 and the Specialized >>>> expedition i owned. I even have the poster and postcard Rivendell was >>>> selling when these first came out. >>>> >>>> On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:24:37 AM UTC-5 maxcr wrote: >>>> >>>>> For those not on instagram, looks the build is coming together for >>>>> John's yellow Bomba - the color looks amazing on these photos: >>>>> >>>>> [image: IMG_9687.jpeg] [image: IMG_9688.jpeg] >>>>> Max >>>>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 7:41:46 PM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Lovely bike, Vern! What kind of drop bars are those? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, December 25, 2022 at 5:30:49 PM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Purchased from a member of the group in July but very recently built >>>>>>> Bombadil. Excited for many more miles of dirt in the new year! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: IMG_9161.jpg] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Happy holidays, >>>>>>> Vern in San Francisco >>>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 12:41:47 PM UTC-8 >>>>>>> foolis...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Presumedly, it might of sounded like I didn't like my Bombadil. I >>>>>>>> associate "overbuilt" with "wellmade" and absolutely love my bike. It >>>>>>>> keeps >>>>>>>> up with a casual road ride no problem. Impressive! It always felt like >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> swiss army knife. It's really great hearing all of the Bomba and Hunq >>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>> flowing. They have always been the most interesting of the Riv line to >>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 24, 2022 at 9:34:53 AM UTC-6 Marc Irwin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That is indeed my Hunq and it is a Waterford frame. I pre-ordered >>>>>>>>> from the first Taiwan production but Riv screwed up and sold mine to >>>>>>>>> somebody else. When they realized their mistake they offered the >>>>>>>>> remaining >>>>>>>>> 54CM from the first Waterford run. My understanding is that the more >>>>>>>>> ornate lugs require more handwork during the brazing process and were >>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>> difficult for the factory to produce. My Taiwan built Sam has the >>>>>>>>> less >>>>>>>>> ornate rounded lugs like the ones on the Taiwan Hunqs. Everything >>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>> say about the ride is true. The Hunq is a >>>>>>>>> goanywheredoanythingforbigboysbike, but, despite feeling heavy (my >>>>>>>>> frame >>>>>>>>> and fork registered 10lbs on the bathroom scale) it rides >>>>>>>>> surprisingly >>>>>>>>> quickly. I've ridden with 15-16mph groups at club and charity rides >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> no problem and could probably keep up with faster if I cared enough. >>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_1831.JPG] >>>>>>>>> Here's where it's taken me so far. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Marc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 4:26:48 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I first discovered RBW in August of 2011 and Grant said he would >>>>>>>>>> only recommend the Hunqapillar or Bombadil for someone my weight. >>>>>>>>>> In the >>>>>>>>>> following eight years it took for me to finally buy one, I amassed >>>>>>>>>> quite a >>>>>>>>>> collection of Hunqapillar photos. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One thing I've noticed is that some of the very earliest >>>>>>>>>> Hunqapillars have mismatched headtube lugs. The top has points on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> sides but on some bikes, the bottom headtube lug is rounded, with no >>>>>>>>>> point >>>>>>>>>> on some bikes and pointed on the sides of others. I'm wondering if >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> factor differentiates Tawain Hunqapillars from the MUSA/Japan (of >>>>>>>>>> Toyo made >>>>>>>>>> some, it seems like they did) ones. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The 54cm proto-type had the rounded side on the bottom lug. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: 4985768915_03bc844911_o.jpg] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This kidney bean Hunq also has the smooth sided bottom lug >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: 005 (2).jpg] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I believe this is Marc's bike and I think he has stated it was a >>>>>>>>>> Waterford frame and it has the point on the side of the bottom lug >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: 006.jpg] >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, December 23, 2022 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-6 >>>>>>>>>> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I was deleting old file from my phone and found the *Original >>>>>>>>>>> Hunqabook" PDF. I'm not sure if it was shared already, but here >>>>>>>>>>> you go. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 12:04:20 PM UTC-6 Cyclofiend >>>>>>>>>>> Jim wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. My recollection was that Bomba was coming out when it was >>>>>>>>>>>> "suggested" that those names were IP, so IIRC it was the last of >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> Tolkien names. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Grant shared the Hunkapiller mailbox story with me verbally >>>>>>>>>>>> during a visit to RBWHQ&L. It was the same as he later wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> one of the >>>>>>>>>>>> Readers. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The first Hunqapillar I ever saw came out with grey frame and >>>>>>>>>>>> orange. >>>>>>>>>>>> I had some images over on my (goodness gracious it's still >>>>>>>>>>>> THERE?) Flickr feed - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/search/?user_id=93409214%40N00&view_all=1&text=hunqapillar >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There were both TTT (Twin Top Tube) and Diagatube frames when I >>>>>>>>>>>> visited. IIRC, Grant said it was going to be diagatube only in >>>>>>>>>>>> production - >>>>>>>>>>>> this image shows an unpainted model - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4713714578/in/photolist-8bx281-8btKnk-8btKpk-7NNCR6-cqiLDG-7NVfpo-oiwPmQ-7NVgrq-7NVfuj-7NVgwQ-7NRh2g-7NRhHe-7NRgWB >>>>>>>>>>>> (taken mid-2010) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For completeness - here's a tall Bomba with the TTT and that >>>>>>>>>>>> gorgeous kidney bean red - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4207455573/in/photolist-7pNiXt-7pSegm-7pNiYF >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 1:41:43 PM UTC-8 Jay Lonner >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the story that I’ve heard. And while I do love the >>>>>>>>>>>>> name and woolly mammoth iconography, it does feel like a missed >>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity >>>>>>>>>>>>> when Oliphaunt was right there. (But maybe they had already >>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten a >>>>>>>>>>>>> cease-and-desist from the Tolkien estate at that point?) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In any case, it’s great seeing the Hunqapillar get some >>>>>>>>>>>>> attention — I sure love mine. And I also appreciate the link to >>>>>>>>>>>>> John >>>>>>>>>>>>> Watson’s build on the Radavist. He mentions wanting to track down >>>>>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>>>> 8-speed specific White Industries freehub. So here’s where I >>>>>>>>>>>>> confess to >>>>>>>>>>>>> some gaps in my knowledge — are current generation rear hubs >>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible >>>>>>>>>>>>> with 8-speed cassettes? I had assumed that the freehub dimensions >>>>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>>> constant, and that the cassettes and chains just got narrower >>>>>>>>>>>>> with more >>>>>>>>>>>>> gears. But evidently that’s not the case, presumably leading to a >>>>>>>>>>>>> rear >>>>>>>>>>>>> wheel with more dish? I like my 3x8 setup quite well for the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hunq, and am >>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering whether I need to be on the lookout for spares if >>>>>>>>>>>>> there’s no way >>>>>>>>>>>>> to retrofit contemporary components. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jay Lonner >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bellingham, WA >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Atari 400 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2022, at 11:52 AM, J J <junes...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Re: the mailbox — I believe Grant was on a tour and saw the >>>>>>>>>>>>> name “Hunkapiller” on a mailbox. Forgot where. He changed the >>>>>>>>>>>>> spelling for >>>>>>>>>>>>> the bike. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 2:17:05 PM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ricky — The mailbox thing is new to me, interested to learn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more if others have insight. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laing — That is a beauty of a Bombadil and I really >>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciate you have the screenshot from when you bought it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the kind >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of receipt I like. Please keep us updated on how it handles with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the very >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wide drops and other changes. Congrats on your traverse of FL on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that bike! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian — Thanks for the info! Definitely appropriate for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread, I'd say. I'm surprised Sackville is a reference to LOTR, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would have guessed it. I think I'd heard of the rest, but only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading about Riv over the years. And I was aware of Rivendell >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mountain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works as a point of inspiration as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Eliot! I've got two videos in the hopper. Apologies >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the erratic upload schedule. I enjoy documenting my projects >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't want to be a full-time YouTube person. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 12:39:36 PM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eliot...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric when are we going to see another YouTube video ? I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really admire your style and have even learned a few tricks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excellent build videos. Sorry for the tangent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:42:59 AM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brok...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eric, I hope this doesn't derail your thread too much, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I though I might try to address your Tolkien question. As I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure many of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us here are, I've long been a big Tolkien nerd, but I wouldn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself an expert... I'd say I'm pretty well-versed, though! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know Grant has always maintained that he named Rivendell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BW out of his appreciation for the old Rivendell Mountain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works catalogs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (no doubt a main inspiration for the Riv Readers and model >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catalogs / >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brochures). But then, he also has taken quite a few liberties >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tolkien property names and references. Here's a short list of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the ones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can think of, but there may be others: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell: the magical refuge of the Elves in Middle Earth, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where the Fellowship of the Ring is formed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Baggins: the surname of our Hobbit heroes, Bilbo and Frodo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sackville: a an affluent branch of the Baggins family in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Shire, the Sackville-Bagginses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bombadil: as in Tom Bombadil, a jovial character who helps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Hobbits out of a tight spot along their journey. He may be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the oldest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being in Middle Earth. Infamously NOT mentioned in the film >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adaptations, to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the dismay of many fans. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Legolas: a Woodland Elf who was a member of the Fellowship >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the Ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quickbeam: a young Ent who basically babysat and distracted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hobbits Merry and Pippin during the Ent Moot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone think of any obvious ones I'm missing here? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 10:50:45 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Creek wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Hunqapillar is named after a mailbox in Indiana, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the spelling is different. Also, it might not be Indiana. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 9:31:34 AM UTC-6 Luke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hendrickson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for starting this thread, Eric. Stoked to learn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more about these two models. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 7:16:08 AM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eric...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beloved. They're stout, beautiful, and sometimes have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intricate additional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tubes and lugs. While I've done a lot of reading about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell I was a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit unclear on the origins and intended uses of these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frames. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> info about these bikes along with pictures of builds. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> background in another thread >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/mkxv02ciCM4/m/KqWZOIMQAwAJ>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some great info there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 41, sometime in 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members might >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recall I am very into raw frames with brass spilling out of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lugs! I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that many Bombadil owners have had their frames >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repainted like Jason >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fuller, whose absolute stunner shows up here from time to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time. By the way, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the picture below is one of my very favorite Rivendell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> images. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sold on eBay. I believe that one was purchased by John >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watson of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Radavist (and he's got a Hunq) so we might see some nice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pics of that bike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometime soon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and write-up here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://theradavist.com/rivendell-hunqapillar-review/>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? 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