The outlier here. I just built myself some WI hubs— after years of XTR
silence I rather enjoy making a little noise.

And they’re so pretty.

Jock

On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 9:41 AM Mike <michaelwbened...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi--I recently splurged on an Onyx for my new Sam, and it is kind of life
> changing (my *riding* life anyway) how awesome it is. Which is good and
> bad, as now my other bicycles with very quiet vintage Deore hubs seem
> "loud".
> In terms of finding a local wheel builder--maybe not exactly the answer
> you're looking for, but I taught myself to lace wheels a number of years
> ago and it was really not nearly as difficult as I initially thought it
> would be.  Each wheel build gets easier than the previous, and it has now
> become meditative even. And its way cheaper as you can shop around for your
> own parts, either buying direct from manufacturer or finding stuff on
> eBay.  I feel like a lot of folks here gravitate towards nice components.
> For wheels in particular: nice hubs, nice rims, quality spokes (in exactly
> the correct length)...I've found that gets you like 75% of the way towards
> building a strong and true wheel.
>
> Happy and safe (and quiet) riding to all this weekend,
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:10:01 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>
>> Bones,
>> Thanks. That's good to know.
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:07:11 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>
>>> I do not have a DT 240 but I do have most of the other ones listed:
>>> Silver, Deore, MI5, Onyx. I'm not a big fan of loud hubs and I found my MI5
>>> obnoxiously loud; I was having difficultly having conversations with my
>>> riding friends while coasting. I took the hub apart and applied a generous
>>> amount of Phil's Tenacious Oil and it now sounds like a different hub. Much
>>> much quieter and quite tolerable.
>>>
>>> Bones
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:59:43 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
>>>> The noise of the White Ind Mi5 does concern me to some degree. Curious
>>>> does anyone have both a DT 240 and a White ind. Mi5 to compare the noise
>>>> level? I've got a DT 240 on a bike and would rather nothing louder than
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> @Johnny, Keith: Thanks for the replies. I've had several wheel sets
>>>>> built by Rich at hands on wheels. I may go that route and shoot him an
>>>>> email. I'm pretty sure the wheels that I'm currently riding are from Rich.
>>>>>
>>>>> @Keith, Will, Garth: Not sure about the silver hubs. It'd think that
>>>>> if it were simply out of stock, it'd say "out of stock" just like half of
>>>>> the items on the Riv site. I had a silver hub on a Clem a few years ago 
>>>>> and
>>>>> liked it just fine. I was thinking of having the rear built with a Silver
>>>>> 36h but then didn't see em on the site. Odd.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:39:37 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as
>>>>>> well go with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, so
>>>>>> I've gone back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The irony 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> that for the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels these
>>>>>> days than cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build a 
>>>>>> set
>>>>>> of Alex DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used 
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>> I also have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for Riv
>>>>>> waaaaay beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas,
>>>>>> youngwheels.com I think. I still ride the first set he built in
>>>>>> 1999, and of course, they're as straight as an arrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think
>>>>>> they're busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive 
>>>>>> upkeep
>>>>>> of the website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly
>>>>>> coming sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. 
>>>>>> Shimano
>>>>>> is by their own words ditching most of their road and mtb groups in favor
>>>>>> of the deathly black "Ican'tremember" line of bike parts that supposed 
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> be used for road or mtb use. Of course, it was Shimano who messed things 
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> by dividing them in the first place with different cable pulls.
>>>>>>
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