John: I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying them. By all accounts they are 
the industry standard for a touring type hub. Hard to beat on paper. I've 
just not experienced them personally. I've had cranks, bottom brackets and 
headsets and they've all been great. 

On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 12:17:20 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Mike: thanks. I love the onyx hub as well. Wish it came in 36h. I do most 
> of my bike work but I'm just not interested in building wheels. I'd rather 
> leave that to an experienced pro. 
>
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 12:51:57 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:
>
>> The outlier here. I just built myself some WI hubs— after years of XTR 
>> silence I rather enjoy making a little noise. 
>>
>> And they’re so pretty. 
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 9:41 AM Mike <michaelw...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi--I recently splurged on an Onyx for my new Sam, and it is kind of 
>>> life changing (my *riding* life anyway) how awesome it is. Which is 
>>> good and bad, as now my other bicycles with very quiet vintage Deore hubs 
>>> seem "loud".
>>> In terms of finding a local wheel builder--maybe not exactly the answer 
>>> you're looking for, but I taught myself to lace wheels a number of years 
>>> ago and it was really not nearly as difficult as I initially thought it 
>>> would be.  Each wheel build gets easier than the previous, and it has now 
>>> become meditative even. And its way cheaper as you can shop around for your 
>>> own parts, either buying direct from manufacturer or finding stuff on 
>>> eBay.  I feel like a lot of folks here gravitate towards nice components.  
>>> For wheels in particular: nice hubs, nice rims, quality spokes (in exactly 
>>> the correct length)...I've found that gets you like 75% of the way towards 
>>> building a strong and true wheel.  
>>>
>>> Happy and safe (and quiet) riding to all this weekend,
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:10:01 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bones, 
>>>> Thanks. That's good to know. 
>>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 8:07:11 AM UTC-4 Bones wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do not have a DT 240 but I do have most of the other ones listed: 
>>>>> Silver, Deore, MI5, Onyx. I'm not a big fan of loud hubs and I found my 
>>>>> MI5 
>>>>> obnoxiously loud; I was having difficultly having conversations with my 
>>>>> riding friends while coasting. I took the hub apart and applied a 
>>>>> generous 
>>>>> amount of Phil's Tenacious Oil and it now sounds like a different hub. 
>>>>> Much 
>>>>> much quieter and quite tolerable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bones
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:59:43 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The noise of the White Ind Mi5 does concern me to some degree. 
>>>>>> Curious does anyone have both a DT 240 and a White ind. Mi5 to compare 
>>>>>> the 
>>>>>> noise level? I've got a DT 240 on a bike and would rather nothing louder 
>>>>>> than that. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 6:56:26 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Johnny, Keith: Thanks for the replies. I've had several wheel sets 
>>>>>>> built by Rich at hands on wheels. I may go that route and shoot him an 
>>>>>>> email. I'm pretty sure the wheels that I'm currently riding are from 
>>>>>>> Rich. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Keith, Will, Garth: Not sure about the silver hubs. It'd think that 
>>>>>>> if it were simply out of stock, it'd say "out of stock" just like half 
>>>>>>> of 
>>>>>>> the items on the Riv site. I had a silver hub on a Clem a few years ago 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> liked it just fine. I was thinking of having the rear built with a 
>>>>>>> Silver 
>>>>>>> 36h but then didn't see em on the site. Odd. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 4:39:37 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's little choice for quiet hubs so if you need 36 you may as 
>>>>>>>> well go with Deore's. For myself having a quiet hub is non-negotiable, 
>>>>>>>> so 
>>>>>>>> I've gone back to using threaded FW hubs for my future builds. The 
>>>>>>>> irony is 
>>>>>>>> that for the 7 cogs I use there's a better selection of freewheels 
>>>>>>>> these 
>>>>>>>> days than cassettes. Rich will build you fine wheels. I had him build 
>>>>>>>> a set 
>>>>>>>> of Alex DM24 rims with Deore/Suntour hubs for me but I've never used 
>>>>>>>> them. 
>>>>>>>> I also have 2 sets of Joe Young wheels. (He formerly built wheels for 
>>>>>>>> Riv 
>>>>>>>> waaaaay beck when before Rich.) He's in Granbury Texas, 
>>>>>>>> youngwheels.com I think. I still ride the first set he built in 
>>>>>>>> 1999, and of course, they're as straight as an arrow. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's many things that Riv has that aren't on the menu as I think 
>>>>>>>> they're busy enough as it is and don't have much time for extensive 
>>>>>>>> upkeep 
>>>>>>>> of the website in totality. The "new" 7sp cassette hub was supposedly 
>>>>>>>> coming sometime, but as for noise I'd be surprised if it was quiet. 
>>>>>>>> Shimano 
>>>>>>>> is by their own words ditching most of their road and mtb groups in 
>>>>>>>> favor 
>>>>>>>> of the deathly black "Ican'tremember" line of bike parts that supposed 
>>>>>>>> can 
>>>>>>>> be used for road or mtb use. Of course, it was Shimano who messed 
>>>>>>>> things up 
>>>>>>>> by dividing them in the first place with different cable pulls. 
>>>>>>>>
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