More specifically Eddie, I don't think using a bar like the Billie on a 
Roadini is a good idea to begin with if you find yourself wanting to move 
forward for a more stable steering experience. You be much better of with a 
shallow drop bar.  Personally, I don't think having high bars lives up to 
the purported benefits often espoused by Will or Grant and all that ride 
them. I found just the opposite myself..... it's like wanting to get from 
Dallas to Atlanta via Seattle. .... "your're going the wrong way !". Bikes 
simply handle wonderfully with your body weight forward and hands forward 
of the steering axis. I get that GP designs his "upright" bikes to maximize 
the "high, back and upright" position in terms of stability, but to me all 
the compensating in the world for being so far back of the steering axis 
will ever eliminate that "twitchy, tiller effect". That said lots of people 
ride them and love them and rightly so. I'm coming from a place where I 
simply don't relate to that in a positive way. It's a matter of taste, and 
we all have an affinity for what we have an affinity for. I can't stand the 
Star Anise flavor for example, that many people love. While I don't relate 
to the flavor itself, I certainly relate to the experiencing of that which 
one enjoys. 

I think of how Rivendell frame design has so radically changed in the last 
20 years. You could say the Clem design may have saved the company as it 
became so popular as the basic road bike design had seemed to become so 
passe', so to speak. In the seeming endless quest for something "new" to 
experience, I can see how road bike design went to ape crazy into carbon 
for lightness and disc brakes and now aerodynamics. It's making the bikes 
way more complex that they need to be, and making them out to be something 
more than they ever are. .... a means to "the ride" ! That quest for 
"newness" is ironically the source of all the woes of the world, as the 
inherent message within it is that "now isn't good enough, it's lacking  in 
some way, so more is needed, some compensation is required in ordered to be 
fulfilled !". The problem with that is that is just a big fat lie. The 
compensation is never enough, no matter how much is given, more is always 
taken, more is demanded. More is never enough. Of course it's never enough, 
and that's the point. ISness can't be fulfilled or made because it isn't 
absent in any way. What a paradox ..... things that seem to appear missing 
aren't missing at all..... they're revealing in the Light the actuality of 
What IS :)   How cool that is ...... Ride on. 



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