Hello Doug, I have been riding Billie bars on three bikes for nearly two years. I can do just fine but still notice I am less steady when my hands are on the grips while descending at speed. Could be that I am so upright that my center of gravity compared to drop bars is making things a less steady.
On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:38:47 AM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote: > I have never tried really high-mounted drop bars like these ones: > http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/05/drop-bar-diaries.html > And for me that would be mostly about the aesthetics. Swept back bars look > cooler and less weird that high-mounted drop bars. I wonder if the steering > would "seem" significantly less twitchy and if for me it would require a > smaller frame with shorter top tube? > Here are photos of my current twitchy setup: > https://photos.app.goo.gl/Nn7Pzb61yBhXaKCE6 > > > On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:26:34 AM UTC-7 eddietheflay wrote: > >> I need my bars quite high cuz I'm old and my neck aches badly when my >> head is hanging over drop bars. I have considered tall stem and drop bars. >> I guess that would mean shorter top-tubed bike in order to make the reach >> to the hoods on drop bars comfortable. >> >> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 5:17:39 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote: >> >>> More specifically Eddie, I don't think using a bar like the Billie on a >>> Roadini is a good idea to begin with if you find yourself wanting to move >>> forward for a more stable steering experience. You be much better of with a >>> shallow drop bar. Personally, I don't think having high bars lives up to >>> the purported benefits often espoused by Will or Grant and all that ride >>> them. I found just the opposite myself..... it's like wanting to get from >>> Dallas to Atlanta via Seattle. .... "your're going the wrong way !". Bikes >>> simply handle wonderfully with your body weight forward and hands forward >>> of the steering axis. I get that GP designs his "upright" bikes to maximize >>> the "high, back and upright" position in terms of stability, but to me all >>> the compensating in the world for being so far back of the steering axis >>> will ever eliminate that "twitchy, tiller effect". That said lots of people >>> ride them and love them and rightly so. I'm coming from a place where I >>> simply don't relate to that in a positive way. It's a matter of taste, and >>> we all have an affinity for what we have an affinity for. I can't stand the >>> Star Anise flavor for example, that many people love. While I don't relate >>> to the flavor itself, I certainly relate to the experiencing of that which >>> one enjoys. >>> >>> I think of how Rivendell frame design has so radically changed in the >>> last 20 years. You could say the Clem design may have saved the company as >>> it became so popular as the basic road bike design had seemed to become so >>> passe', so to speak. In the seeming endless quest for something "new" to >>> experience, I can see how road bike design went to ape crazy into carbon >>> for lightness and disc brakes and now aerodynamics. It's making the bikes >>> way more complex that they need to be, and making them out to be something >>> more than they ever are. .... a means to "the ride" ! That quest for >>> "newness" is ironically the source of all the woes of the world, as the >>> inherent message within it is that "now isn't good enough, it's lacking in >>> some way, so more is needed, some compensation is required in ordered to be >>> fulfilled !". The problem with that is that is just a big fat lie. The >>> compensation is never enough, no matter how much is given, more is always >>> taken, more is demanded. More is never enough. Of course it's never enough, >>> and that's the point. ISness can't be fulfilled or made because it isn't >>> absent in any way. What a paradox ..... things that seem to appear missing >>> aren't missing at all..... they're revealing in the Light the actuality of >>> What IS :) How cool that is ...... Ride on. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cf0237f2-8fdd-4f80-8d5d-2dc5f7c075e3n%40googlegroups.com.
