Me, exactly! I did splurge on the Paul levers though.:)
Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2023, at 7:33 PM, larson....@gmail.com <larson.phot...@gmail.com> wrote:
I go back and forth on buying Motolites to replace my Shimano V brakes. I love the look and know that the Paul's work great, but the Shimano brakes really work well. I have had to stop in an emergency and could lock up the rear wheel on dry pavement, and rode in bad conditions (rain, mud and grit) on a northern forest road recently and had no problems. Ultimately, the frugal Scandinavian/Midwest farmer in me has won out and I have resisted the urge (so far). Randy in WI
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 1:41:25 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
Agreed James, I do NOT think Motolites and Shimano have the same performance. But salmon pads are a hassle, I use these "ebike pads" I got from Riv.
![Screenshot_20231007_114030.jpg]() On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 7:03:12 AM UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:
Are Paul brakes worth the money? - in a word YES!
After some wear, brake pads need to be re-toed in, because they will wear flat to the rim surface. I suspect that will solve your problems.
Will I would enjoy hearing the feedback from those folks, who have used Yokozuna brake pads verses Salmon Koolstop pads. Are they any better ? or ?
Kim Hetzel.
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 4:45:43 AM UTC-7 Julian Westerhout wrote:
Bill,
Salmon Koolstop pads stop well, but can be noisy, especially if they hit the rim flat or slightly toed out. It is possible/probable that after 5 months the pads have worn enough to change the way they hit the rim, and need to be adjusted a bit to be slightly toe-in.
Julia Westerhout Bloomington, IL
On Saturday, October 7, 2023 at 5:50:35 AM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
The brakes are cantilever with salmon pads. I assume that the are properly mounted. The squawking began after about five months of riding. In the beginning there was no noise.
That noise is typical of a he salmon pads that ship on Paul brakes. salmon pads stop really well but I’ve had several pair on different bikes and different brake styles and after a bit they all started to make noise no matter how I adjusted them. I’ve also found that Paul Motolites in particular do not like having racks mounted to them. This made any existing brake noise multiples worse I assume due to the two sides being more rigid mounted together allowing for different resonance to occur and generate more noise. This was particularly apparent on my Gus I assume due to its unique front end geometry.
My opinion on the Paul Motolites is mixed. On the one hand, they’re beautiful and the quick release mechanism is nice compared to typical v-brakes with the noodle holding it all together. The adjustment mechanism is also a work of arm and does make adjusting for different when sizes a bit nicer. However, I’m not sure they’re worth the money purely on the basis of function. To me they’re like a designer handbag. They make a nice accessory when paired with other nice accessories and a good outfit they can be stunning. But at the end of the day, a $5 handbag holds stuff as well as a $300 handbag. My $30 Shimano Alivio v-brakes stop my Appaloosa just as well as the $300 Motolites on my Gus. But my Gus is my pretty show bike that I take out on the town on a Sunny Saturday to get things at the farmer’s market. My Appaloosa is my daily driver. I lock it up outside of stores and restaurants and ride it, rain or shine, to work 5 days a week. It’s still a nice bike but the parts on it are more utilitarian in nature. The frame is the flashiest piece of kit on the whole bike and I like it that way. Bill,
Which brakes are they? Which pads are you using? Are they properly slightly toed in?
Photos would help in making a diagnosis -- but I doubt the squawking is due to the brakes themselves -- more likely to be pad type and/or setup.
Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL
On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:54:00 PM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
I bought Paul brakes for my Atlantis and initially loved them. Now, however, they squawk like a stuck goose. I’ve cleaned the rims, sanded the pads but with no success. They were installed by a bike shop so I don’t think that’s the problem. It’s embarrassing to ride at times. I’m looking for suggestions to ease the noise. Thanks in advance. Bill
On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:58:13 AM UTC-5 Bill Schairer wrote:
I have a set of cantilevers and a set of center pulls, both purchased used off this list, I think. What I really like about both sets is how easy it is to disconnect and re-connect the straddle cables making wheel removal and installation so much easier. Even though I didn't pay full retail they were still quite pricey compared to what I had. I don't regret my purchases at all.
Bill S San Diego
Paul brakes are worth it.
If you buy, try and decide you don't like them you can sell them for close to what you paid!
On Monday, January 9, 2023 at 12:22:34 PM UTC-5 Jay Riley wrote:
PS: I'll always keep hydro brakes on the dual-suspension mtn bike. They're cool! The braking assignment is short, severe braking loads, as opposed to braking loads on a road or touring bike.
"the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable Pauls" has sent me back to cables and calipers on 2 of my bikes. Especially if I'm in hilly and mountainous terrain, especially especially when touring with moderate loads (35lbs) in that terrain, disc-brake pads wear out way faster than ol' fashioned brake pads. Hydraulic discs are super easy to squeeze and modulate, and although my thumbs are already arthritic I can still stop just fine w'cable brakes.
Thanks, good to know.
Klampers are great, the couple hydraulic systems I've tried (stock on new bikes, I don't remember the brands) were marginally greater on the road but not worth the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable Pauls. Your results may vary on steep, rocky descents I don't ride.
Joe Bernard
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:46:22 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say how the Klampers perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full hydraulics? I was just talking to my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering if the Kampers would be as powerful and modulate as well without the hydraulic complication.
The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right? ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike around, but went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, woot!).
Philip Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?)
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