those zeste cantilever brakes have a Meccano set vibe that I rather like
I have experience with the grand cru road. it wouldn't surprise me that 
these work well too.
I think velo orange is a great company

On Saturday, October 14, 2023 at 1:21:38 PM UTC-5 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's not surprising to me that Pauls would be better than the 720s.  I 
> know they (Tektro 720s) have a dedicated following; I can't understand 
> why.  In my experience, they were mediocre stoppers, replaced quickly by 
> Shimano CX70s and then by mini-Vs.  
>
> I just replaced some budget Shimano cantis on my commuter with Velo Orange 
> Zeste brakes and they're amazing.  For the $70 I paid, miraculous even.  
> Hard to imagine that Pauls would be better.
>
> Will
>
> On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 5:03:24 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I swapped Tektro C 720s for Paul cantis, Touring in the rear, Neo Retro 
>> in front, after I experienced severe squeal and judder in the front with 
>> the Tektros. The bike in question is a 58 cm c-c built for 26"/559 mm bsd 
>> wheels, so the steerer is hugely long.
>>
>> I got the Tektros to work sufficiently well by toeing them in at an 
>> absurd angle, but the Pauls (using the same salmon pads) stop a wee bit 
>> better, with normal toe in, and judder in front is reduced to a fugitive 
>> whisper. And of course the Pauls are so easy to set up.
>>
>> Are the Pauls worth 5X the Tektros? IMO, the Tektros look better -- more 
>> svelte, more shiny, at least when you remove the logo (tho' the careful 
>> engineering and quality materials of the Pauls have their own aesthetic 
>> merits) -- and are lighter (for what *that's* worth, but Bill would 
>> approve) and in most situations I'd choose the Tektros over the Pauls 
>> simply for looks and function, leaving aside price.
>>
>> But for a situation like mine, where the more precise machining 
>> eliminates squeal and minimizes judder, I willingly paid 500% more for 
>> Pauls.
>>
>> Note that I found both with Tektros and Pauls that I had to use them for 
>> ~ 1K miles before the pads bedded in and I got maximum braking.
>>
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