The one I know of is 9s Octalink. I don't think there was a hollowtech version but happy to be corrected. You can get an earlier era 7s. RSX triple that's square taper.
On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 10:05 AM Tim Bantham <tba...@gmail.com> wrote: > Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all > Octalink? > > On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > >> Ultegra 52x42x30 makes a nice compact double. Just remove the 52 (free) >> and put a guard in its place ($15). Now you've got a 42x30 with the >> ability to put a smaller ring on the 74 bcd if need be. The skeleton key >> is indeed a useful FD. >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> >> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:42:09 PM UTC-8 Will M wrote: >> >>> Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks! >>> >>> I swapped out an Ultegra 52x42x30 for a RBW/Silver 42x28 and never >>> looked back. (Yes, that little Microshift "skeleton key" front derailer is >>> brilliant). And my Yuba cargo bike got the RBW/Silver 38x24 because the >>> 44x34x24 offered no advantages for a bike that is 100% about transporting >>> "cargo" (kids) in a city. I get the appeal of 1X's, but some of the analog >>> Yuba long-wheelbase cargo bikes that were spec'ed as 1X got a reputation >>> for throwing chains under load. Never understood why. >>> >>> @ Ron Mc: Love the half-step setup. Love! Have you seen John Schubert's >>> article "Half Step: The Gearing Choice for the Retrogrouch >>> <https://www.adventurecycling.org/sites/default/assets/resources/gearing_101.pdf>"? >>> (Adventure Cyclist magazine, March 2002) My bucket list includes a 1983 >>> Specialized Sequoia with this drivetrain. :-) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Will >>> NYC >>> >>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:43:48 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>>> I did that for years with 48/38/28 triples and close ratio (13-21 >>>> commuting, 12-19 gofast) 7 speed drivetrains. It worked well, with most >>>> riding in the middle ring. ?This ws >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 5:02 PM Andrew Turner <andyree...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I love a triple paired with an 8 speed or less corncob cassette >>>>> matched to downtube shifters. That's an amazing roadie configuration right >>>>> there. Not to mention bomb proof. But I think what rides equally as nice >>>>> is >>>>> 11 speed 2x setups with a wide range cassette in the rear. The choice for >>>>> me comes down to looks and vanity. Ron Mc's teaser drivetrain pic is >>>>> really >>>>> scratching an itch for me though! >>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:36:47 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 cassettes; >>>>>> I end up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't use the 46x11) >>>>>> and >>>>>> for these bikes I like it fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> In line with Bill's point, pairing a smaller front step with a wider >>>>>> range cassette (but not too crazy) can work well. I recently ended up >>>>>> with >>>>>> a 2x9, 42/34 x 11-40t setup on a bike and it's pretty nice for general >>>>>> use. >>>>>> The smaller front step allows getting over rolling hills using front >>>>>> shifts >>>>>> only, it's got great range (.85:1 - 3.8:1) and still doesn't end up with >>>>>> a >>>>>> bunch of simultaneous front/rear shifting. And the 34t small ring lets >>>>>> you >>>>>> use a standard 110 double crank. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Dave >>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:13:54 PM UTC-5 J J wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Steven, thanks for the point about how useful triples are for riding >>>>>>> with big loads, whether for touring, day tripping, shopping, whatever. I >>>>>>> frequently haul loads up hills on my already-heavy Rivs, so a wide gear >>>>>>> range with 24-34-44 or a 26-36-46 triple and a 34- or 36-tooth large >>>>>>> rear >>>>>>> sprocket works great for me. I'm a tinkerer but I don't mess with my >>>>>>> front >>>>>>> ders. They're set it and forget it. I also love the way shiny triple >>>>>>> cranks >>>>>>> look. I've never felt compelled to try a 1x from a functional or >>>>>>> aesthetic >>>>>>> standpoint. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree with Johnny that much newfangled bike stuff and trends are >>>>>>> driven by product differentiation and marketing. Sometimes what was once >>>>>>> virtue becomes vice, sometimes what is old becomes new again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:14:25 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One point that I think is being missed, is for loaded touring bikes >>>>>>>> triples make more sense. Though I am not camping I still am carrying >>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>> 40 lbs on a 32 lb bike, low gears are especially useful on long and/or >>>>>>>> steep hills. When home in central New Hampshire many of my favorite >>>>>>>> roads >>>>>>>> are diificult if not impossible for me to ride without a 15-18” gear. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steven Sweedler >>>>>>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:43 PM Chris Halasz <cha...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm planning on going from 3x to 1x on my all-around Tosco'd LHT. >>>>>>>>> Maybe even do that today, and replace the big ring with the Rivendell >>>>>>>>> chainring guard. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I haven't used the 48 in a long, long time. As for the 26 inner: >>>>>>>>> there was a t-shirt from the 80s from a bike shop in Ketchum that >>>>>>>>> read, "if >>>>>>>>> you ain't hikin', you ain't mountain bikin'". If it gets that low, I >>>>>>>>> appreciate the change in blood circulation by just walking those few >>>>>>>>> minutes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Chris >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak, >>>>>>>>> Woodstown NJ wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill L stated: " If it were me, I'd experiment with a 42-tooth >>>>>>>>>> big ring before going to a triple" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Question to Bill: Will a 42T large ring result in the FD >>>>>>>>>> hitting the chain stay in the inner ring of a triple (say 24T or 26T) >>>>>>>>>> ??????? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PS I agree with your comment on the 46-11 being a very high gear. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John Hawrylak >>>>>>>>>> Woodstown NJ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You run a 46/30 with an 11-34 11sp cassette. If it were me, I'd >>>>>>>>>>> experiment with a 42-tooth big ring before going to a triple. >>>>>>>>>>> 46x11 is >>>>>>>>>>> pretty darn high for a commuter/city bike. Anything higher than a >>>>>>>>>>> 4:1 in >>>>>>>>>>> my book is for the sole purpose of pedaling at >>40mph. That is a >>>>>>>>>>> real >>>>>>>>>>> use-case in hilly areas, but not for me, and especially not for a >>>>>>>>>>> commuter/city bike. That's just a suggestion. The jump from 42 to >>>>>>>>>>> 30 is >>>>>>>>>>> much less dramatic. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:25:39 AM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>> bunny...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've been kind of triple-curious again. I live in a hilly part >>>>>>>>>>>> of L.A. My commuter/city bike has an 11-34 11s with a 46/30 front. >>>>>>>>>>>> I've >>>>>>>>>>>> been finding the 46 to 30 jump to feel pretty large. It feels much >>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>> dramatic than 50-34. For instance, if I switch big to small in the >>>>>>>>>>>> from, >>>>>>>>>>>> I'll sift down at least 3 cogs on the back to totally avoid >>>>>>>>>>>> spinning out >>>>>>>>>>>> immediately. I sometimes find myself mildly cross chaining in >>>>>>>>>>>> either >>>>>>>>>>>> direction to find the right gear. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So I've been thinking of either going 1x, or 3x. My other bike >>>>>>>>>>>> is 1x, and it's a carbon all-road/gravel thing. I like the setup >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> rougher terrain. Also, I just don't like the idea of having >>>>>>>>>>>> duplicate >>>>>>>>>>>> bikes. I also romanticize the bike I had about 20 years go, which >>>>>>>>>>>> had an >>>>>>>>>>>> 11-27 9 speed with 24/36/46. At the time, it felt luxurious, >>>>>>>>>>>> natural, and >>>>>>>>>>>> easy. But I didn't know then what I know now, and many times when >>>>>>>>>>>> I've set >>>>>>>>>>>> up a modern bike like this one from my past, I get quickly >>>>>>>>>>>> disillusioned >>>>>>>>>>>> and undo that change. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I kinda feel like the headline should be "triples: still fun >>>>>>>>>>>> and useful for hands on bike nerds who like to tinker." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:44:06 AM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I dissent. Front derailers are unnecessarily complicated to >>>>>>>>>>>>> setup, and so are triple chainrings, especially on XD2s. I have >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1X 10 one >>>>>>>>>>>>> two bikes, and love it, and I just specced a 1X 11 with a Deore >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5100 >>>>>>>>>>>>> derailer and 11-51 cassette for my BMC Monstercross. The whole >>>>>>>>>>>>> drivetrain >>>>>>>>>>>>> cost less than a nice triple crankset, it's all lighter too. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out >>>>>>>>>>>>> Analog Cycles for inspiration. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rear because people didn't need to shift that much. The message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> was to push >>>>>>>>>>>>>> through if its too hard or even get off and push the bike up the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill. Now >>>>>>>>>>>>>> its shifting to a new argument...why not have those extra gears >>>>>>>>>>>>>> available. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly its all marketing to me. I like the simplicity of a 1x >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get the bulk of the gears I need with less maintenance. For me >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (personally >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind you) the front derailer has always been the sketchiest part >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. Dropping chains, chain rub....its all a balancing act. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> am happy to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have that all go away with a sacrifice of the granny gear. I see >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what VO is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying and I think its probably a practical opinion but for me?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1x just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> campyo...@me.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a triple on just one bike (Soma Saga). My main >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem is that when I’m in the smallest chainring I am moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so slowly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it’s hard to stay upright. On the very steep inclines that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessitate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the small cog, I find it easier to just get off and walk the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike up the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill (something we used to call a “24-inch gear”). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Eric Norris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campyo...@me.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 9, 2024, at 9:20 AM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been on half-step triples for over a decade, and never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looked back. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many 30-mi rides never see a rear shift. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Capture.JPG> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-6 Steven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sweedler wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For several years all my bikes have had triples, usually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 46-32-20 on XT 737 cranks. For this current trip I took off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the big ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I rarely use it when touring with Cindy, or any of my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solo riding, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just when riding with the guys chasing them down hills. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does look a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little ridiculous, with the front der way up in the air but so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> far its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working out just fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Sweedler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 4:47 PM Patrick Moore < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bert...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO makes a good case for triples: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mailchi.mp/velo-orange.com/triplesaregreatchangemymind?e=9c5efe5ba1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Simplicity and Effectiveness* While 1x systems boast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplicity, the emphasis on constant shifting may be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overstated. Many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riders find themselves primarily using the middle ring, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating as a 1x >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system with added flexibility to adapt to different terrain. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point that triples are usually used as 1Xs with low >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and high ranges available is the key, I think. I know that, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even with 10 or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 in back, I'd not want a 1X, and even a 1X + granny (ie, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very wide range >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subcompact 2X) would leave me wanting easy-shifting gears for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> steep rolling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offroad terrain (which I don't ride anymore), as I found when >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I swapped out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a 3X7 for a 2X9 on my erstwhile Fargo. For road use including >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavy loads >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and steep hills the 2X9 was easier to use and provided >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sufficient range >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with close cruising steps, but I did miss the middle-ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> range between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 65" and 35" which comes with the middle ring on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 46/36/24 triple. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patrick Moore >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Terrarum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other writing services >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *When thou didst 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