Although I'm not Bill (middle name is William, though), I'm using a 26-42 (triple with chainguard) and an older "road double" front derailleur, and the FD doesn't hit the chainstay. I have the FD a wee higher than might be absolutely perfect in order to clear the chainstay, but it shifts just fine.
I'm enjoying the "one by with bailout" a lot since moving from a triple (24-36-46, 11-23 9sp) to the 26-42, 11-28 11-speed. Most of my rides don't go up the steeper hills of the Santa Cruz mountains, so I can go many rides without touching the FD at all. I managed to get the FD lined up just perfectly such that the chain doesn't rub in either the 11 or 28, which surprised me, I was expecting to have to trim the FD often. When I do go up the steeper roads, I'll probably use the FD just twice on that ride: one downshift and one upshift. Only very rarely do I need four shifts. Yes, a 1x might work better, but I like the smaller jumps of my cassette. It's to the point where I'm going to go from two Silver barends to having a downtube shifter for the front. My hips are such that my left knee gets perilously close to hitting the left barend shifter if I'm out of the saddle (right knee tracks more "straight"), so a downtube shifter would be better. Reading this discussion got me to searching eBay, and I found a Mavic 821 left only DT retrofriction shifter. This was a special product they sold with the failed Zap system. I could have gotten a pair of older Shimano shifters for less, but this will give me a Silver shifter, Mavic shifter, New Albion cranks, Campy FD, Shimano RD and cassette, SRAM chain drivetrain, just to be contrary to the all-one manufacturer that modern setups seem to require. When the Shimano cassette wears out, I may get a Sunrace, just to get one more manufacturer in the drivetrain. Drew On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ wrote: > Bill L stated: " If it were me, I'd experiment with a 42-tooth big ring > before going to a triple" > > Question to Bill: Will a 42T large ring result in the FD hitting the > chain stay in the inner ring of a triple (say 24T or 26T) ??????? > > PS I agree with your comment on the 46-11 being a very high gear. > > John Hawrylak > Woodstown NJ > > On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > >> Ben >> >> You run a 46/30 with an 11-34 11sp cassette. If it were me, I'd >> experiment with a 42-tooth big ring before going to a triple. 46x11 is >> pretty darn high for a commuter/city bike. Anything higher than a 4:1 in >> my book is for the sole purpose of pedaling at >>40mph. That is a real >> use-case in hilly areas, but not for me, and especially not for a >> commuter/city bike. That's just a suggestion. The jump from 42 to 30 is >> much less dramatic. >> >> BL in EC >> >> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:25:39 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> I've been kind of triple-curious again. I live in a hilly part of L.A. >>> My commuter/city bike has an 11-34 11s with a 46/30 front. I've been >>> finding the 46 to 30 jump to feel pretty large. It feels much more dramatic >>> than 50-34. For instance, if I switch big to small in the from, I'll sift >>> down at least 3 cogs on the back to totally avoid spinning out immediately. >>> I sometimes find myself mildly cross chaining in either direction to find >>> the right gear. >>> >>> So I've been thinking of either going 1x, or 3x. My other bike is 1x, >>> and it's a carbon all-road/gravel thing. I like the setup for rougher >>> terrain. Also, I just don't like the idea of having duplicate bikes. I also >>> romanticize the bike I had about 20 years go, which had an 11-27 9 speed >>> with 24/36/46. At the time, it felt luxurious, natural, and easy. But I >>> didn't know then what I know now, and many times when I've set up a modern >>> bike like this one from my past, I get quickly disillusioned and undo that >>> change. >>> >>> I kinda feel like the headline should be "triples: still fun and useful >>> for hands on bike nerds who like to tinker." >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:44:06 AM UTC-8 captaincon...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I dissent. Front derailers are unnecessarily complicated to setup, and >>>> so are triple chainrings, especially on XD2s. I have 1X 10 one two bikes, >>>> and love it, and I just specced a 1X 11 with a Deore 5100 derailer and >>>> 11-51 cassette for my BMC Monstercross. The whole drivetrain cost less >>>> than a nice triple crankset, it's all lighter too. Check out Analog >>>> Cycles >>>> for inspiration. >>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>> >>>>> For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in the rear >>>>> because people didn't need to shift that much. The message was to push >>>>> through if its too hard or even get off and push the bike up the hill. >>>>> Now >>>>> its shifting to a new argument...why not have those extra gears >>>>> available. >>>>> Honestly its all marketing to me. I like the simplicity of a 1x because I >>>>> get the bulk of the gears I need with less maintenance. For me >>>>> (personally >>>>> mind you) the front derailer has always been the sketchiest part of the >>>>> setup. Dropping chains, chain rub....its all a balancing act. I am happy >>>>> to >>>>> have that all go away with a sacrifice of the granny gear. I see what VO >>>>> is >>>>> saying and I think its probably a practical opinion but for me?? 1x just >>>>> works. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have a triple on just one bike (Soma Saga). My main problem is that >>>>>> when I’m in the smallest chainring I am moving so slowly that it’s hard >>>>>> to >>>>>> stay upright. On the very steep inclines that necessitate the small cog, >>>>>> I >>>>>> find it easier to just get off and walk the bike up the hill (something >>>>>> we >>>>>> used to call a “24-inch gear”). >>>>>> >>>>>> --Eric Norris >>>>>> campyo...@me.com >>>>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy >>>>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 9, 2024, at 9:20 AM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been on half-step triples for over a decade, and never looked >>>>>> back. >>>>>> Many 30-mi rides never see a rear shift. >>>>>> >>>>>> <Capture.JPG> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-6 Steven Sweedler >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> For several years all my bikes have had triples, usually 46-32-20 on >>>>>>> XT 737 cranks. For this current trip I took off the big ring because I >>>>>>> rarely use it when touring with Cindy, or any of my solo riding, just >>>>>>> when >>>>>>> riding with the guys chasing them down hills. It does look a little >>>>>>> ridiculous, with the front der way up in the air but so far its working >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> just fine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steven Sweedler >>>>>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 4:47 PM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> VO makes a good case for triples: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://mailchi.mp/velo-orange.com/triplesaregreatchangemymind?e=9c5efe5ba1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Simplicity and Effectiveness* While 1x systems boast simplicity, >>>>>>>> the emphasis on constant shifting may be overstated. Many riders find >>>>>>>> themselves primarily using the middle ring, operating as a 1x system >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> added flexibility to adapt to different terrain. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The point that triples are usually used as 1Xs with low and high >>>>>>>> ranges available is the key, I think. I know that, even with 10 or 11 >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> back, I'd not want a 1X, and even a 1X + granny (ie, very wide range >>>>>>>> subcompact 2X) would leave me wanting easy-shifting gears for steep >>>>>>>> rolling >>>>>>>> offroad terrain (which I don't ride anymore), as I found when I >>>>>>>> swapped out >>>>>>>> a 3X7 for a 2X9 on my erstwhile Fargo. 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