Footnote: I do love the 10t jump compared to the 14-16t also, but with the aforementioned gears I don't front shift often enough that it's a big deal. For 9s I would run what I already mentioned, but if going to 11s I would bump up to a 11-42 cassette, now that the jumps are reasonable, and switch to a closer ratio front. 42-30 probably. This would mean not being able to run as short of a spindle though, so big-big combo might become a bit more cross-chainy
On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 19:10:35 UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote: > Admittedly I skimmed (at best) this rather lengthy thread, but wanted to > chime in and agree with these points which have undoubtedly been made: > > 1. A typical triple's benefit is that it usually means a lot less front > shifting compared to a double, even though that's a bit counter-intuitive. > A triple's middle ring is good for 90% of riding, whereas with a 'standard' > double you're often crossing the small/big ring threshold. > > 2. A non-standard double, where the outer ring is sized smaller so that it > is not too much bigger than the triple's middle, paired with a sufficiently > large big cog out back, is the best of both worlds for everyone except > those who want to be able to low-cadence pedal down hills. > > I am generally totally happy with 38/24 to 11-34. For a more road-focused > bike I can push it to 42-26 or 42-28 and still stay in the big ring for all > but longer hills. The key to this, IMO, is square taper cranks where you > can take advantage of the added chainstay clearance that small rings > affords, and run a shorter spindle. This brings the rings inboard so that > the big ring's chainline is about the same as a triple's middle ring would > be > > > On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 17:23:56 UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote: > >> So far I 've not noted anyone else posting my particular combination of >> integers; 44-34-24 on a Velocity Orange triple. >> It started out with a 48t big ring, but my late 90s XT rear derailleur >> couldn't quite deal with the 48x36 cross chained combination. I'm smart >> just enough to know that I'm dumb enough to have eventually shifted into >> that combo. You could say I had more love for the XT RD than I did for >> the 48t ring. I replaced the ring with an inexpensive Origin 8 thinking . >> I wouldn't use it much anyway. >> >> Turns out I really like the 10t increments on the front end. Shifting >> between the 3 rings with the chain running in the middle cogs yields steps >> of ~ 10 gear inches. Over the right terrain I've been able to amuse myself >> by using only the front derailleur. >> >> Steve >> >> >> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:29:16 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote: >> >>> "Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all >>> Octalink?" >>> >>> All Octalink. The previous gen 7/8-spd era Ultegra square taper (600 >>> tri-color) were all doubles, if you search long and hard you can find 105 >>> triples from that period but I don't think many were produced. >>> >>> Joe Bernard >>> >>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:05:47 AM UTC-8 Tim Bantham wrote: >>> >>>> Can those Ultegra triples be found in a square taper or are they all >>>> Octalink? >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 8:23:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ultegra 52x42x30 makes a nice compact double. Just remove the 52 >>>>> (free) and put a guard in its place ($15). Now you've got a 42x30 with >>>>> the >>>>> ability to put a smaller ring on the 74 bcd if need be. The skeleton key >>>>> is indeed a useful FD. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 4:42:09 PM UTC-8 Will M wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks! >>>>>> >>>>>> I swapped out an Ultegra 52x42x30 for a RBW/Silver 42x28 and never >>>>>> looked back. (Yes, that little Microshift "skeleton key" front derailer >>>>>> is >>>>>> brilliant). And my Yuba cargo bike got the RBW/Silver 38x24 because the >>>>>> 44x34x24 offered no advantages for a bike that is 100% about >>>>>> transporting >>>>>> "cargo" (kids) in a city. I get the appeal of 1X's, but some of the >>>>>> analog >>>>>> Yuba long-wheelbase cargo bikes that were spec'ed as 1X got a reputation >>>>>> for throwing chains under load. Never understood why. >>>>>> >>>>>> @ Ron Mc: Love the half-step setup. Love! Have you seen John >>>>>> Schubert's article "Half Step: The Gearing Choice for the Retrogrouch >>>>>> <https://www.adventurecycling.org/sites/default/assets/resources/gearing_101.pdf>"? >>>>>> >>>>>> (Adventure Cyclist magazine, March 2002) My bucket list includes a 1983 >>>>>> Specialized Sequoia with this drivetrain. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Will >>>>>> NYC >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 10:43:48 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I did that for years with 48/38/28 triples and close ratio (13-21 >>>>>>> commuting, 12-19 gofast) 7 speed drivetrains. It worked well, with most >>>>>>> riding in the middle ring. ?This ws >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 5:02 PM Andrew Turner <andyree...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I love a triple paired with an 8 speed or less corncob cassette >>>>>>>> matched to downtube shifters. That's an amazing roadie configuration >>>>>>>> right >>>>>>>> there. Not to mention bomb proof. But I think what rides equally as >>>>>>>> nice is >>>>>>>> 11 speed 2x setups with a wide range cassette in the rear. The choice >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> me comes down to looks and vanity. Ron Mc's teaser drivetrain pic is >>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>> scratching an itch for me though! >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 5:36:47 PM UTC-6 DavidP wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 >>>>>>>>> cassettes; I end up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't >>>>>>>>> use the >>>>>>>>> 46x11) and for these bikes I like it fine. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In line with Bill's point, pairing a smaller front step with a >>>>>>>>> wider range cassette (but not too crazy) can work well. I recently >>>>>>>>> ended up >>>>>>>>> with a 2x9, 42/34 x 11-40t setup on a bike and it's pretty nice for >>>>>>>>> general >>>>>>>>> use. The smaller front step allows getting over rolling hills using >>>>>>>>> front >>>>>>>>> shifts only, it's got great range (.85:1 - 3.8:1) and still doesn't >>>>>>>>> end up >>>>>>>>> with a bunch of simultaneous front/rear shifting. And the 34t small >>>>>>>>> ring >>>>>>>>> lets you use a standard 110 double crank. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Dave >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:13:54 PM UTC-5 J J wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Steven, thanks for the point about how useful triples are for >>>>>>>>>> riding with big loads, whether for touring, day tripping, shopping, >>>>>>>>>> whatever. I frequently haul loads up hills on my already-heavy Rivs, >>>>>>>>>> so a >>>>>>>>>> wide gear range with 24-34-44 or a 26-36-46 triple and a 34- or >>>>>>>>>> 36-tooth >>>>>>>>>> large rear sprocket works great for me. I'm a tinkerer but I don't >>>>>>>>>> mess >>>>>>>>>> with my front ders. They're set it and forget it. I also love the >>>>>>>>>> way shiny >>>>>>>>>> triple cranks look. I've never felt compelled to try a 1x from a >>>>>>>>>> functional >>>>>>>>>> or aesthetic standpoint. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I agree with Johnny that much newfangled bike stuff and trends >>>>>>>>>> are driven by product differentiation and marketing. Sometimes what >>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> once virtue becomes vice, sometimes what is old becomes new again. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:14:25 PM UTC-5 Steven Sweedler >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One point that I think is being missed, is for loaded touring >>>>>>>>>>> bikes triples make more sense. Though I am not camping I still am >>>>>>>>>>> carrying >>>>>>>>>>> around 40 lbs on a 32 lb bike, low gears are especially useful on >>>>>>>>>>> long >>>>>>>>>>> and/or steep hills. When home in central New Hampshire many of my >>>>>>>>>>> favorite >>>>>>>>>>> roads are diificult if not impossible for me to ride without a >>>>>>>>>>> 15-18” gear. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Steven Sweedler >>>>>>>>>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 8:43 PM Chris Halasz <cha...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm planning on going from 3x to 1x on my all-around Tosco'd >>>>>>>>>>>> LHT. Maybe even do that today, and replace the big ring with the >>>>>>>>>>>> Rivendell >>>>>>>>>>>> chainring guard. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't used the 48 in a long, long time. As for the 26 >>>>>>>>>>>> inner: there was a t-shirt from the 80s from a bike shop in >>>>>>>>>>>> Ketchum that >>>>>>>>>>>> read, "if you ain't hikin', you ain't mountain bikin'". If it gets >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> low, I appreciate the change in blood circulation by just walking >>>>>>>>>>>> those few >>>>>>>>>>>> minutes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> - Chris >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-8 John Hawrylak, >>>>>>>>>>>> Woodstown NJ wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill L stated: " If it were me, I'd experiment with a >>>>>>>>>>>>> 42-tooth big ring before going to a triple" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Question to Bill: Will a 42T large ring result in the FD >>>>>>>>>>>>> hitting the chain stay in the inner ring of a triple (say 24T or >>>>>>>>>>>>> 26T) >>>>>>>>>>>>> ??????? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> PS I agree with your comment on the 46-11 being a very high >>>>>>>>>>>>> gear. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> John Hawrylak >>>>>>>>>>>>> Woodstown NJ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You run a 46/30 with an 11-34 11sp cassette. If it were me, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd experiment with a 42-tooth big ring before going to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> triple. 46x11 is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty darn high for a commuter/city bike. Anything higher than >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a 4:1 in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my book is for the sole purpose of pedaling at >>40mph. That is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a real >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use-case in hilly areas, but not for me, and especially not for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commuter/city bike. That's just a suggestion. The jump from 42 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to 30 is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> much less dramatic. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:25:39 AM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bunny...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been kind of triple-curious again. I live in a hilly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of L.A. My commuter/city bike has an 11-34 11s with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 46/30 front. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been finding the 46 to 30 jump to feel pretty large. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more dramatic than 50-34. For instance, if I switch big to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from, I'll sift down at least 3 cogs on the back to totally >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid spinning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out immediately. I sometimes find myself mildly cross chaining >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in either >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction to find the right gear. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I've been thinking of either going 1x, or 3x. My other >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike is 1x, and it's a carbon all-road/gravel thing. I like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rougher terrain. Also, I just don't like the idea of having >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> duplicate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bikes. I also romanticize the bike I had about 20 years go, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which had an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11-27 9 speed with 24/36/46. At the time, it felt luxurious, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy. But I didn't know then what I know now, and many times >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I've set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up a modern bike like this one from my past, I get quickly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disillusioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and undo that change. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I kinda feel like the headline should be "triples: still fun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and useful for hands on bike nerds who like to tinker." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:44:06 AM UTC-8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> captaincon...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I dissent. Front derailers are unnecessarily complicated >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to setup, and so are triple chainrings, especially on XD2s. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have 1X 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one two bikes, and love it, and I just specced a 1X 11 with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Deore 5100 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derailer and 11-51 cassette for my BMC Monstercross. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole drivetrain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost less than a nice triple crankset, it's all lighter too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Analog Cycles for inspiration. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:45:17 AM UTC-6 Johnny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alien wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rear because people didn't need to shift that much. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message was to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> push through if its too hard or even get off and push the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike up the hill. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now its shifting to a new argument...why not have those extra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gears >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available. Honestly its all marketing to me. I like the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplicity of a 1x >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I get the bulk of the gears I need with less >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance. For me >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (personally mind you) the front derailer has always been the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sketchiest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part of the setup. Dropping chains, chain rub....its all a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> balancing act. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am happy to have that all go away with a sacrifice of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> granny gear. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see what VO is saying and I think its probably a practical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion but for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me?? 1x just works. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:33:52 PM UTC-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campyo...@me.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a triple on just one bike (Soma Saga). My main >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem is that when I’m in the smallest chainring I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moving so slowly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it’s hard to stay upright. On the very steep inclines >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that necessitate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the small cog, I find it easier to just get off and walk the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike up the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill (something we used to call a “24-inch gear”). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Eric Norris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campyo...@me.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 9, 2024, at 9:20 AM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been on half-step triples for over a decade, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never looked back. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many 30-mi rides never see a rear shift. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Capture.JPG> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:00:57 AM UTC-6 Steven >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sweedler wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For several years all my bikes have had triples, usually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 46-32-20 on XT 737 cranks. For this current trip I took off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the big ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I rarely use it when touring with Cindy, or any of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my solo riding, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just when riding with the guys chasing them down hills. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does look a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little ridiculous, with the front der way up in the air but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so far its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working out just fine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Sweedler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plymouth, New Hampshire >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 4:47 PM Patrick Moore < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bert...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VO makes a good case for triples: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mailchi.mp/velo-orange.com/triplesaregreatchangemymind?e=9c5efe5ba1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Simplicity and Effectiveness* While 1x systems boast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplicity, the emphasis on constant shifting may be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overstated. Many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> riders find themselves primarily using the middle ring, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operating as a 1x >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system with added flexibility to adapt to different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrain. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point that triples are usually used as 1Xs with low >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and high ranges available is the key, I think. I know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, even with 10 or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11 in back, I'd not want a 1X, and even a 1X + granny (ie, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very wide range >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> subcompact 2X) would leave me wanting easy-shifting gears >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for steep rolling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offroad terrain (which I don't ride anymore), as I found >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I swapped out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a 3X7 for a 2X9 on my erstwhile Fargo. For road use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including heavy loads >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and steep hills the 2X9 was easier to use and provided >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sufficient range >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with close cruising steps, but I did miss the middle-ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> range between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 65" and 35" which comes with the middle ring on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 46/36/24 triple. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Patrick Moore >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orbis Terrarum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other writing services >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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