Drew - indeed, quite a departure from the earier protos, and neat as well - but now that it's lugged it seems to overlap existing models a bit more other than the novel drop tube. I wonder if it shares the upper HT lug as the new Susie (TT angle more flat due to HTA)
John - Yeah I agree, the Sam is stout enough for basically any touring maybe short of a dedicated world-tourer. I've never found the limit of mine either in terms of capacity, just tire clearance as you mention. On Friday 12 January 2024 at 10:19:37 UTC-8 John Bokman wrote: > Jason, I concur with your assessment of the new Atlantis. I had always > pined for one, ever since the inception of the model. In fact, other than > the "LongLow", it was the first Riv I coveted. But, alas, things have > changed (Grant would say for the better). > > I finally purchased a Riv, the original 60cm model Sam, in 2009. I now > ride a size smaller Sam (the 58cm). I think it is from the 2017 era? At any > rate, I had a local builder install canti-bosses, like the original had. I > find it to be surprisingly stout. In fact, I regularly load it for bear, > and find it to be more bike than I want in some instances (uphill, without > a load, for example). I believe that the "new" Sam is more stout than the > original. In fact, it felt lighter in the hand to both myself and my > mechanic who had history with both of these bikes. Turns out the seat tube > had changed from 27.2 to 26.8. My mechanic thinks the thicker steat tube is > the answer to the increased heft. That, and the longer chainstays. > > All to say, I understand your want for an old school Atlantis in the > lineup. But, as someone who rides a larger framed 700c Sam (can't speak to > the 650B Sam), it's pretty right on for this purpose. The thing I think > that could be improved as a loaded tourer is the tire clearance. Being able > to fit a 2" tire under a fender would make it outstanding. I suppose this > would make it the de-facto "new Atlantis"? Just musing... > > John > > On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 7:42:26 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote: > >> Word is the Sam is unchanged from previous batches, geometry-wise, which >> is wonderful news as Sam is perfect. No plans to pick up anything this >> year, in fact it's my fourth annual "no new bikes" resolution which has >> failed three times thus far. >> >> I am a big fan of the new Susie's combination of specs, more stout than >> the old one (which was flexy to the extent it didn't make a good off-road >> tourer for most people) but quill stem. Dig that. >> >> I find the Appaloosa to be a lot better on the eyes than the modern >> Atlantis and I struggle to understand why since they're nearly the same. In >> my dream scenario, the Atlantis would go backwards slightly to bit a little >> more roadish in geometry, something similar to the Sam, but with the >> additional stoutness and tire clearance. I feel like this more road-focused >> true touring bike is currently missing in the lineup, and still falls >> within modern Riv sensibilities. Of course, I have no say in this, but a >> guy can dream. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday 11 January 2024 at 13:03:05 UTC-8 drewfi...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Saw this in the last email: >>> >>> >>> - February - Clems >>> - March - Lugged Susies - kind of a new model >>> - April - Roaduno bikes and frames - new model >>> - May - Sam Hillbornes >>> - June - Appaloosas >>> - July - Platypus bikes and frames >>> - August - Charlie Gallop, nu model, bikes and frames, more info >>> later >>> - September - Roadini >>> >>> Been waiting to pick up a Sam for a loooong time. Anyone else have plans >>> to pick up a new frame in 2024? >>> >>> Also, Looks like the foreboding about the Atlantis going into retirement >>> is holding true with more appaloosas coming in the summer. Anyone out there >>> still pining for that turquoise dream? >>> >>> - Drew >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/cef1d93b-c078-4e82-bb26-803508b142f0n%40googlegroups.com.
