You don’t know you “need” it until you’ve lived with it.:)
Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2024, at 1:36 AM, Mike Godwin <spokenhu...@gmail.com> wrote:
Eric D asked what model Treks. Good question, as I just walked in on the sout side of the store and exited on the north side. The bikes are lined up in the 2-stack wall-mounted stands. Flat bars, sloping top tube, tall headtube, flat black with large diameter tubes, disc brakes, nothing I am going to do a double take on, for sure. But since the shop is on the other side of town and it is fun to look at the Paramount, and Cinelli, and Colnago in there, might as well take a gander at the long chainstay bikes. I can always ask about the mt bike rentals too. FYI, Foothill Cycles on Foothill in SLO towards the campus side of town. Mike SLO CA.
On Wednesday, March 6, 2024 at 10:20:36 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
What Treks did you see? Looking at their website, I don't see anything that long, outside their Electra cruisers. Trek has a LOT of models though, so it's easy to overlook something.
Eric
Went to my LBS looking for a bike box, and there is one wall with new long-chain stay-wheelbase Treks ready to ride out the door. I figured someone would copy Riv sooner or later. People have been copying Riv since late in the last century, much like folks are copying RH tires since about 2010.
I guess they know a good thing when they ride it. Mike SLO CA
On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 4:40:42 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:
People do lament about modern frame/parts design Bill, and they do it @Bikeforums.net in mostly the classic & vintage section :) All vintage makes and models are talked about and bought and sold and very much prized/appreciated. It is by far the most active section of BF. There's a couple of members who regularly post .pdf scans of old cycling publications like Bicycling! magazine of most any bike that was reviewed at the time. Not just bikes of course but all the vintage parts too from how they work to how to tear down and repair them. It's a very diverse community that has the same polarizing topics as any other places, but it's broken down into vary sections to make it easier to post and find posts. Lots of riders who love anything "new" and lots that don't.
The demand and use for all kinds of bikes and parts Worlwide is far beyond anyone's means or abilities to count. Andel, likely the largest crank manufacturer in the World, has lots of traditional doubles and triples and they manufacture Riv's cranks for them.
As for the megastays, it is what it is. There's a whole lotta frames and makers to choose from. Thankfully there are other people/businesses interested in having steel frames(stock and custom), friction shifters and non-disc hubs made so there's very little if anything I shop @Riv for.
On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 1:13:52 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
I promise you that Rivendell is flattered that nice people gather themselves to complain about the former-models that Riv no longer makes. It shows a love for Rivendell that most other bike brands don't get. There's no Specialized google group where current Specialized fans are griping about Rockhoppers and Sequoias. All those nostalgic cyclists have bailed on Specialized entirely.
What Rivendell does, and has always done, is build the bikes they want to exist. If you like one and want to buy it, great. If you don't like any of them and buy something else, that's also great. They (Riv) does not care about making money, except to the extent they can keep the lights on and pay their people a modest living wage. They do not care about growth. Actually, they probably have made up their minds that they can't grow. They know exactly how many bikes they can afford to sell, and they plan out making that many bikes. That very limited number of bikes is always going to be "whatever they feel like making". They count on the fact that somebody is going to buy them, and it usually works out for them. The bikes they feel like making are bikes that don't exist anywhere else and/or have never been made before. When they made the Saluki circa 2007, bikes like the Saluki didn't exist. Today, bikes like the Saluki do exist, so Riv doesn't have to make them. The fact that some Riv-fans are nostalgic for former models is touching, but they don't make nostalgia models. If you want a short wheelbase Rivendell, buy a Crust, ride the heck out of it, and be happy. That's what Riv would tell you.
The Roaduno is the classic, IMO. They love the idea of a purpose built 3x1 road bike. Nobody...not a single person on earth is pounding on their keyboard complaining that it's hard to find a purpose built 3x1 road bike. There is NO demand for it, but Riv is making it anyway, because they feel like it. If you buy it, great. If you don't, they hope you find something else that you do want to buy. It's perfectly logical for you nostalgic Riv-fans to gripe "they couldve taken that Roaduno money and did a run of traditional short-wheelbase Atlantis!!!!" Yep, they could have. That's not what they felt like doing.
My advice to the disappointed is to just let Riv be Riv. Seek out the bikes you like, buy them and ride them.
Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA
I like the bit longer chain stays of my Sam and Saluki as well but that is as long as I need. I can relate to this. For me there are pros and cons. For example, the Clem I bought a few years ago was intended to be an analog mountain bike. I found the long chainstays to be a liability for east coast single track. This is especially the case with tight turns and the need to carry the bike. If I had to do it all over for the type of MTB riding that I have available to me I would go for a bike with shorter stays and a lighter frame. That said, I love the longer chainstays on my Sam as compared to a regular road/gravel bike. Definitely noticeable on the descents. I ride my Sam on dirt roads quite a bit and the long stay really shines in that situation.
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