"Although I wouldnt say Susie is a lateral move personally"

To clarify I just meant the type of riding they covered. Since the Susie is 
the less stout of the two models (Susie/Gus) I would put it on similar 
ground as the Clem as far as what riding its aimed at. Not trying to imply 
the ride would be exactly the same.

On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 5:24:54 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes, my Clem does the same. I’ve tried a few loaded setups and balanced 
> front / rear seems best. There is wheel flop aplenty if I load up the 
> front. But, it really does not bother me. Gus is less sensitive to loading 
> for sure.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 9, 2024, at 4:42 PM, Hoch in ut <cack...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> One thing I noticed on my Clem was with a heavy load on the rear, the 
> tail wagged a little much for me. Due to the low step through design. I’d 
> imagine with the Gus’ top tube being higher, the frame most likely wouldn’t 
> flex as much. I noticed your rear rack on your Clem and thought I’d point 
> that out. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 2:17:07 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I said that wrong. What I meant to say is that Susie & Gus ride the same 
>> or at least very similarly. Riv claims they ride the same. I rode a Susie 
>> briefly - it felt the same as my Gus.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 3:09 PM, Richard Rose <rmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> When I measured mine (a while ago) the bottom bracket on my 57(large) 
>> Gus was a full 2”! higher than on my 52 Clem. This single dimension makes 
>> these bikes quite different in my opinion. I love both bikes but use Gus 
>> for trail/MTB duties almost exclusively. The Clem is my bike for pretty 
>> much everything else. Having both I simply could not choose one to keep. 
>> Sophie’s Choice. I thought but cannot claim I know that Gus & Susie are 
>> more or less the same.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Johnny Alien <johnny....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> A Susie would be a pretty lateral move from a Clem (by description and 
>> such) where as a Gus would be more stout. If the Clem covers the type of 
>> riding you like than the main difference would be style/visuals IMO. Which 
>> is 100% as good a reason as any other to swap frames. I love my Clem and am 
>> often tempted by the beauty of the Susie/Gus.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 12:34:49 PM UTC-5 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>>
>>> Regardless of the price/value of each frame, what do all of you think 
>>> are the pros and cons of either bikes? overlaps vs. differences? 
>>> Ultimately, which would you choose to keep?
>>>
>>> FYI, I tend to over-build my bikes and I enjoy riding them, so any 
>>> comments alluding to "that's too much bike" will be disregarded. 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> IY
>>> [image: IMG_8169.JPG]
>>>
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