When this question arises, regardless of the circumstances we all tend to 
recommend the Riv that we have - which makes sense, since they are all 
fantastic and highly versatile bikes, plus we probably bought the one that 
best suited our own preconceptions. 

In that light I will wholeheartedly support the Hillborne. It's long versus 
old road bikes, but it's not long. I've said it many times already but I'll 
say it again; it is the most perfect evolution of the all-rounder in the 
lineup in my opinion. The tire clearance isn't huge, but you can fit as 
much tire with fenders as makes sense with fenders; and you can fit the 
same size tires we used to MTB on without fenders. I can't imagine being 
unhappy with the Hillborne. It works great with drops, flats, or swept bars 
(but not the super swept ones - Albatross is perfect on it).  The rear end 
is long enough you can fit panniers without heel strike, but short enough 
that it still feels road-ish in its manners. It can be loaded to the gills 
for a big tour, but it doesn't feel wrong when completely unloaded. 

I will always own a Hillborne, I'm sure of this, and that's the only bike I 
can say that about.  



On Friday 5 April 2024 at 17:43:49 UTC-7 Bud Suttree wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
> Been enjoying these forums for a while now, with my first post I’d like to 
> lean on the immense collective wisdom here and get some help with picking 
> out the right Rivendell model. I’ve done quite a lot of personal research 
> and spoken to Riv at least once but would like to open things up to the 
> group for general discussion. 
>
>
> Short sketch of my problem: I love bicycles, but haven’t enjoyed riding 
> them in a long time. I have quite a few, and they all are unpleasant to 
> ride for one reason or another. My priorities are, in descending order: 
> comfort, performance (perceived), utility, price/aesthetics (tie), 
> performance (actual), and at the end would be the ability to do any 
> outer-boundary/end-of-spectrum type activity, riding across the country or 
> racing crits, etc. My ideal bike would be something that could ride 15-20 
> miles to the trail and then 10-15 more on the trail. And also manage 
> chipotle, beer, and post office runs. 
>
>
> Every time I browse the Riv offerings I become convinced I need a 
> different model. I’m thinking maybe the Atlantis would suit me, but I don’t 
> necessarily love the double top tube, and I’d probably be between the 57 
> and 59. The Appaloosa seems pretty similar, but I’m not crazy about either 
> of the current colors. Can’t say I can tell the difference between that one 
> and the Sam, but I like the Sam aesthetic better. I’m also tempted by the 
> gold Susie/Wolbis, but since I’ll be riding mostly around town, worry that 
> it might not feel as agile as the bikes I’m use to riding do.
>
>
> That’s the short version — would welcome any takes or opinions. 
>
>
> Longer story:
>
>
> Like the rest of you, I love bicycles. A substantial amount of my 
> attention is given to them, day after day, in one way or another. 
> Unfortunately, lately this has not translated into actually riding them 
> very often. It’s a paradoxical state, induced by having too many (project) 
> bikes, none of which I can tolerate to ride for more than half an hour. 
> It’s mostly a comfort issue. FWIW, I am a not unhealthy late 20something 
> male with probably poorish posture from desk-jockeying. I rode an aluminum 
> Cannondale road bike daily for five years, crashed, broke some bones and 
> swore it off for two, then entered this present cycle. 
>
>
> Economic realities necessitate the need to flip bikes and parts to fund 
> the passion. Maybe you think that’s a dirty trade; most are. I’ve had the 
> good fortune to pick up an outrageously rare old school BMX bike for 
> essentially nothing that should cover a very nice Rivendell build, and 
> hopefully obviate the need to engage in as much cycling commerce. 
>
>
> Along the way, I’ve acquired an interesting stable:
>
>    - 93 Bridgestone RB-1 and MB-2 
>    - Custom 90s Ciocc w/ Columbus EL and Chorus 
>    - 93ish lugged Trek 990 
>    - 1985 Trek 620 
>
> and a cache of interesting parts, so it’s not been for nothing, but I 
> don’t like riding any of those bikes. Had (still have?) big dreams for the 
> RB-1, but cannot tolerate the reach. Have tried a bunch of stem/saddle 
> options, no luck. Currently building it up w/ a Soma Highway bar and zero 
> setback post, preliminary fit check not promising. Found a crack in the 
> MB’s fork when I was tearing it down and don’t think I want to invest in it 
> without the biplane fork. The Ciocc’s max tire clearance for Corsas is 23 
> rear/25 front. The 990 might be all right, and the 620 too, but both need a 
> ton of work. 
>
>
> I’m tired of projects. Wrenching is fun but riding is better, and it was 
> never my goal to be a collector of anything. So, instead of trying to make 
> all these old bikes “like” the bike that I want, I’m just going to actually 
> go and get what I want and then be done with it for awhile. 
>
>
> Some considerations: 
>
>
> I miss running errands on my bike. I don’t have as much free time as I’d 
> like, but everyone has to go to the grocery store. I also miss long weekend 
> adventure rides and casual group rides. I WFH, so don’t need an actual 
> commuter. I like the idea of an overnight trip, and have most of the gear 
> I’d need to do it. 
>
>
> I have two really great handlebar options: the Soma Highway Ones and Ron’s 
> Orthos. I’ve never spent much of any time on bars that weren’t drops, but 
> think I’m leaning towards the orthos for this project. That said, it would 
> be cool if I could use both. 
>
>
> I want lots of gears. Live in a somewhat hilly town (Nashville) with steep 
> climbs on most of my routes. Getting nearly anywhere usually requires at 
> least some riding on busy streets w/o cycling lanes. 
>
>
> No local Riv dealer anymore (AFAIK). 
>
>
> With all that said, of the current offerings, what would y’all recommend? 
>
>
> Thank you
>
>

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