I agree with Johnny. Think about how you mostly want this bike set up and 
size accordingly. You had mentioned wanting an Albatross bar setup, so if 
it were me, I would go with the 54cm and longer top tube that will play 
nicely with the swept-back bars and longer stem required for said bars. I 
also have a PBH that's between 83-84, even though I'm a little shorter than 
you. If I were buying a new Sam, I would purchase the 54cm size, and I 
would probably also run some sort of swept-back cockpit. I already have a 
drop bar Riv, and a fat-tired Riv, and those are the only two factors that 
would make me want to size down to a 51cm.

Brian
Lex KY

On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:40:27 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I am between sizes as well and my general rule is...if I want a more 
> traditional setup/fit (maybe with drop bars) I size down. If I want to go 
> laid back, more sweptback style I go up. With your PBH if you want drops go 
> with the 51 otherwise the 54 might be best. If you want to size up but the 
> standover gives you pause then consider a Platypus. I understand the advice 
> to call Rivendell but (from my experience) they are almost always going to 
> push you into a go larger direction and that has not historically always 
> worked for me.
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:20:35 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Oooh, a new Sam - exciting!
>>
>> 1) Send Riv an email and get their recommendation, they're great with 
>> this stuff.
>>
>> 2) I'm a similar height but have an 87cm PBH. With your torso length I'm 
>> guessing you'll want more reach, the concern is the standover on the 54cm 
>> Sam if you max out the tires. Either way you'll probably want a long stem 
>> on that Albatross. My 58cm top tube Albatross bike has a 120mm stem. The 
>> drop tube bikes (Susie, Platypus, Clem) are great for getting a longer fit 
>> without worrying about standover; I'm on a 60cm Platypus and the reach is 
>> luxurious.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:43:16 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote:
>>
>>> Haven't had luck pinning down a used bike this last week, so I'm 
>>> thinking I might try and buy a new Sam in May/June with the refresh and I 
>>> don't know if the 51 or 54 frame size is the right choice. Compared to my 
>>> current bike, a 55cm Salsa Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of 
>>> 55cm...
>>>
>>> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya)
>>> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) 
>>>
>>> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) 
>>> 54 Sam top tube:  58 (+3cm from Vaya) 
>>>
>>> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I 
>>> measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a 30" 
>>> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. 
>>>
>>> I would like to run Albatross bars and be comfy about it. 
>>>
>>> Which frame size should I choose? 
>>>
>>>
>>>

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