With the way these bikes are designed the 51 SH I owned seemed as large or larger than the 54cm Rambo that I owned at the same time. For road riding I would not have wanted to go larger. But I also admit that I don't like having no standover clearance so thats part of it for me. One of the big reasons I like step-over/thru frames. But IMO Riv's already have fairly long reach and (obviousl) long wheelbases so moving up for a drop bar setup just seems way to stretches out. Honestly I prefer the 50cm Gallop I have for road stuff to the 51cm SH I had.
On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 5:24:51 PM UTC-4 ian m wrote: > It's pretty wild the differing opinions people have on upsizing or > downsizing based on cockpit choices. I'm with Bill on this, and I think Riv > tends to suggest smaller sizes than necessary, maybe because there's still > consumer pushback to running shorter stems? Everyone thinks they need a > 10cm for optimum handling or something. > > But why would one aim for a 51 Hillborne to use drops and a 54 to use > sweptback bars? The reach difference is 6mm! That's less than the > difference between the stem you have and the next size up or down. > > Maybe it's better from a consumer happiness standpoint to have customers > on a too small bike, as they'll feel more comfortable with the extra > standover clearance, and Riv has moved far more upright than even the > recent past. When in-between two sizes I'll always go for the largest I can > standover (on a roadish bike anyways) > On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 1:34:29 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: > >> OOPS! the OP deleted their post. It's worth pointing out to people that >> this Google Group is basically an email activity. You can delete a post, >> but it's deleted the same way an email is deleted. It's out there. >> >> BL in EC >> >> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:32:17 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >>> I'm 5'10", shorter than the OP, and I think I'm between sizes on the >>> Hillborne....but not between 51 and 54. I think I'm between 54 and 57 on >>> the Hillborne. >>> >>> My Saddle Height is 75.5cm, so my PBH is probably in the 85-86 range. I >>> own an older 56cm Hillborne which is perfect, used to run a 56cm Bombadil >>> which was perfect. >>> >>> When I went to buy an original run Leo Roadini, the Riv guys leaned >>> towards a 54. I was surprised because that felt like a significant >>> downsize. I disagreed with them and got a 57 and it was terrific, albeit >>> with no standover clearance. If I had to replace my 56 Hillborne with a >>> current Hillborne I'd almost definitely get a 57. >>> >>> Does that make me ever more of a weird upsizer than the reputation Riv >>> has with people like Johnny? I'm not sure. The idea of a 5'11" human on a >>> 51cm Hillborne doesn't seem right to me. >>> >>> Is your Salsa Vaya a perfect fit? do you want to share a photo of your >>> setup? >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 9:38:33 AM UTC-7 brok...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> I agree with Johnny. Think about how you mostly want this bike set up >>>> and size accordingly. You had mentioned wanting an Albatross bar setup, so >>>> if it were me, I would go with the 54cm and longer top tube that will play >>>> nicely with the swept-back bars and longer stem required for said bars. I >>>> also have a PBH that's between 83-84, even though I'm a little shorter >>>> than >>>> you. If I were buying a new Sam, I would purchase the 54cm size, and I >>>> would probably also run some sort of swept-back cockpit. I already have a >>>> drop bar Riv, and a fat-tired Riv, and those are the only two factors that >>>> would make me want to size down to a 51cm. >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> Lex KY >>>> >>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:40:27 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am between sizes as well and my general rule is...if I want a more >>>>> traditional setup/fit (maybe with drop bars) I size down. If I want to go >>>>> laid back, more sweptback style I go up. With your PBH if you want drops >>>>> go >>>>> with the 51 otherwise the 54 might be best. If you want to size up but >>>>> the >>>>> standover gives you pause then consider a Platypus. I understand the >>>>> advice >>>>> to call Rivendell but (from my experience) they are almost always going >>>>> to >>>>> push you into a go larger direction and that has not historically always >>>>> worked for me. >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 11:20:35 AM UTC-4 DavidP wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Oooh, a new Sam - exciting! >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Send Riv an email and get their recommendation, they're great with >>>>>> this stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) I'm a similar height but have an 87cm PBH. With your torso length >>>>>> I'm guessing you'll want more reach, the concern is the standover on the >>>>>> 54cm Sam if you max out the tires. Either way you'll probably want a >>>>>> long >>>>>> stem on that Albatross. My 58cm top tube Albatross bike has a 120mm >>>>>> stem. >>>>>> The drop tube bikes (Susie, Platypus, Clem) are great for getting a >>>>>> longer >>>>>> fit without worrying about standover; I'm on a 60cm Platypus and the >>>>>> reach >>>>>> is luxurious. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:43:16 AM UTC-4 Robert Calton wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Haven't had luck pinning down a used bike this last week, so I'm >>>>>>> thinking I might try and buy a new Sam in May/June with the refresh and >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> don't know if the 51 or 54 frame size is the right choice. Compared to >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> current bike, a 55cm Salsa Vaya's standover of 77.6cm and top tube of >>>>>>> 55cm... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 51 Sam standover: 78.6 (+1cm from Vaya) >>>>>>> 51 Sam top tube: 56.5 (+1.5cm from Vaya) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 54 Sam standover: 82.0 (+4.4cm from Vaya) >>>>>>> 54 Sam top tube: 58 (+3cm from Vaya) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> An 83.8 PBH was the highest measurement out of the 10 or so times I >>>>>>> measured. Most of the time it was 81.2 - 82.5 range. I'm 5'11 with a >>>>>>> 30" >>>>>>> inseam. Riv says a 51 Sam is 79-83 and a 54 is 83-86. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would like to run Albatross bars and be comfy about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which frame size should I choose? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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