A few follow-ups on this: 1) I called Rivendell to see if they could look up the size in a serial number database I thought they kept, but no such thing exists. Will did confirm that they measure the seattube to the point on the lug where the seatpost comes out, not the top of the lug tip.
2) I pulled the fork at the advice of one of you (Plumber) and confirmed the size is a 60 per the stamp. So it's officially a 60, though has a top tube of 57, not 58 as the catalog indicates. Maybe the geo changed for this run of Rams? Who knows. In any case, it's still available. I'm going to start a new thread with the correct frame size. On Saturday, July 27, 2024 at 4:26:04 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote: > I switched from the OEM groupless Shimano "mid-reach" duaal pivot brakes on > my Rambouillet to Paul Racers. They improved fender clearance, reducing > the odd rattle on the caliper arms under braking and significantly upped my > speed control/stopping in both wet and dry conditions. > > No shuddering here though, certainly not enough to warrant canti stud > installation on the frame, fork and a repaint. Rim brake web wear-in and > pad compound solved that issue on other bikes but if you were going 650B, > the cantis added to wider tires plus fenders. > > The Racers delivered real and useable stopping power to my Rambouillet > that provides confidence to ride in a group of mostly disc equipped bikes > and their occasional "fraidy"-braking* without loss of control. > > > (*A novice stab of brakes as first response to being surprised by surface, > changes of direction or a slowing of followed rider, worse with disc brake > power and multiplied by the incremental caterpillar effect of a linear > group. Usually means someone is unable to respond fast enough to avoid > bumping the person in front of them) > > Andy Cheatham > Pittsburgh > > On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 8:24:35 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote: > >> I'm thinking of this bike, from Mike. Anyone ever install canti bosses on >> a Rambouillet? I imagine the front fork is stiff enough to resist >> shuddering while hard braking. >> >> Mike "thinking of replacements to BJ World Tour" in SLO CA >> >> On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 5:21:30 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote: >> >>> A way to measure the top tube, tape measure on the far side of one tube >>> then measure to the close side of the next tube. You can then find the >>> difference of the slightly different head tube and seat tube diameters to >>> adjust the top tube length (add to it) by half the difference of the two >>> diameters. >>> >>> Mike SLO CA >>> On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 5:12:23 PM UTC-7 Greg J wrote: >>> >>>> Top tubes are hard to measure because it's hard to locate the >>>> centerlines of the st and ht. According to the geo chart, the chain stay >>>> length increases from 43.5 on a 58cm to 44.5 on a 60cm. Since this has >>>> vertical dropouts, maybe that's another way to check? Based on your >>>> picture of the c-t measurement, I am inclined to think this is a 60. >>>> >>>> greg >>>> >>>> On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 11:24:51 AM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote: >>>> >>>>> If it is, its very slight. Here's a link to some pics I had from when >>>>> it was built up: >>>>> >>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8w5UH3xDhYzCj7ey5 >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 11:42 AM Nat Lichten <ndli...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Is it a slightly sloping top tube? 57cm as measured, 58cm ETT in >>>>>> catalogue? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 11:23:26 AM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I measured from the center of the bb to the point where the seatpost >>>>>>> first becomes visible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 9:40 AM Hoch in ut <cack...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To what point on the set tube are you measuring CTT? I don’t know >>>>>>>> the answer but always wondered whether you go to the pointy end of the >>>>>>>> lug >>>>>>>> or to where the seatpost first becomes visible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 7:31:19 AM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Correct, but mine has a 57 top tube, unless I'm measuring it wrong. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 9:22 AM maxcr <max.fai...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Mike, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think you have a 60 (like mine). Here's the geo from the Ram >>>>>>>>>> brochure >>>>>>>>>> <https://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Rambouillet.pdf> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> where you can see the 60 has a 58 top tube. Hope this helps. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [image: ram.jpg] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Max >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, July 26, 2024 at 9:32:40 AM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bump and an update on sizing: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I listed this as a size 58 based on the 57 c-t-c top tube, >>>>>>>>>>> though it also has a 60cm c-t-t seat tube. Confusing, because the >>>>>>>>>>> 58 size >>>>>>>>>>> should have a 58 c-t-t seat tube. I had one buyer back out because >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> were concerned about standover. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As a data point, I had this set up as 650x42 and it had a >>>>>>>>>>> standover of 83.5. I'm an 88 pbh, 5'11" height for reference and I >>>>>>>>>>> found it >>>>>>>>>>> fit well for me with a 90mm stem and drops. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 4:08:04 PM UTC-5 Mike Godwin >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Another data point, I shoed Ram #005 with up to 700x38 tires, >>>>>>>>>>>> with acceptable room to spare. Same brakes as noted above. I may >>>>>>>>>>>> have some >>>>>>>>>>>> photos on my home computer showing tire clearances. I picked up >>>>>>>>>>>> #005, a >>>>>>>>>>>> floor demo, in August 2002. >>>>>>>>>>>> Mike SLO CA >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 3:37:25 PM UTC-7 Erik Wright wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to derail too hard, but on the topic of Suntour Superbe >>>>>>>>>>>>> brakes, I happen to be selling a 1st gen Suntour Superbe group >>>>>>>>>>>>> (brakes, >>>>>>>>>>>>> levers, DT shifters, FD, RD) and a campagnolo crankset in case >>>>>>>>>>>>> anybody >>>>>>>>>>>>> needs the parts to build up this frameset. $300+ship if anyone is >>>>>>>>>>>>> interested. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Erik, Philly >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 5:28:05 PM UTC-4 Mike Godwin >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had my Ram speed modulated with Suntour Superbe "normal" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach brakes, i.e., 57 mm reach. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike SLO CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 2:17:53 PM UTC-7 Michael Ullmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I only did 700x32 with fenders, I never tried bigger without >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fenders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:15 PM Hoch in ut < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cack...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the link you provided, it says 700x38 fit? Did you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean 38’s? That’s definitely mid-reach territory. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 2:09:47 PM UTC-7 Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ullmer wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I don't recall if they were short or mid reach. They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weren't the Tektro R559s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:07 PM Hoch in ut < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cack...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the 700x32 set up, did you use regular (short reach) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brakes? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2024 at 1:11:55 PM UTC-7 Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ullmer wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's time to part ways with my Ram. It's been a great >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frame capable of lots of different build options, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlaps too much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with my Fitz Rando. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was sold to me as a 60, but the top tube measures 57, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it leads me to believe its a 58. Here's a link to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original catalog >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with geo chart at the end: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://notfine.com/rivreader/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Rambouillet.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frame is in great shape, one small dent on the top tube >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presumably from the handlebar/shifter hitting it. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried to capture >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of the paint scratches. This made a great 650bx42 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversion with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fenders. I used Tektro R559 brakes to reach the lower rim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brake surface. 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