If you can get ahold of one of the old style Klean Kanteen 16oz stainless 
bottles with just a flat screw-on lid (I don't think they make them 
anymore) you can also get 
this 
https://www.amazon.com/Neoprene-Bottle-Coolie-Bottom-Various/dp/B01MRQJFZF/ref=pd_lpo_d_sccl_2/137-0892808-8495053?pd_rd_w=vzg2i&content-id=amzn1.sym.4c8c52db-06f8-4e42-8e56-912796f2ea6c&pf_rd_p=4c8c52db-06f8-4e42-8e56-912796f2ea6c&pf_rd_r=R9C9HZMA53866C2BCK2K&pd_rd_wg=2muUr&pd_rd_r=db42c634-d0f7-455e-b2c8-1f3ba641fec4&pd_rd_i=B01MRQJFZF&th=1
 
and tie the ones with the strings around the neck around the neck of your 
bottle, cutting off any excess material and cinching it tightly.  It won't 
keep the liquid in your bottle very cold - water plus ice melts to just 
plain water in less than a 15 mile ride in warm weather - and you'll either 
have to stop to take a sip or else be very good at drinking while riding 
your bike hands-free.  But they'll keep a nice size bottle like that from 
rattling in your bottle cadge. 

On Thursday, April 3, 2025 at 11:30:01 AM UTC-5 Steven Seelig wrote:

> Aside from meeting all the great builders and Riv folks at the Philly Bike 
> Expo, I was also smitten by the idea of getting rid of all my plastic water 
> bottles and moving to these fabulous Bivo 
> <https://drinkbivo.com/blogs/news/neuhaus-bikes?utm_source=Bivo%20Contacts%20%28newsletter%29&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Neuhaus%20Bikes%20Feature%20%28clone%29&_kx=pQ9WyzaKCte-zoXsygKNuWnAw__xZpVZMzZn9JOs4Wo.PSsm5X>
>  bottles. 
>  At the risk of being a shill, I love them.  
>
> They have solved the "how do I get water out of a metal bottle?" problem 
> by including a silicone straw that permits you to drink from the bottle 
> just as you would drink from a glass.  I bought three insulated versions, 
> and rotate them amongst my several bikes.  And they keep the ice cubes 
> cubed, at least in Spring weather.
>
> The downside is that you will have to either swap or rejigger your bottle 
> cage so that they fit properly and that the cage won't scratch the surface. 
>  This may be anathema, but I now have actual composite (yes, carbon fiber) 
> water bottle cages on several of my bikes.  At least I don't have a carbon 
> fiber fork.  And it takes some looking around to find one that work 
> properly.
>
> That said, this terrible twitch I have had for years from plastic 
> poisoning is now dissipating as I move to stainless steel (kidding).  But 
> at least I worry less about microplastics.  Plus, I can now use those 
> electrolyte tablets, whichI NEVER used in plastic bottles because they 
> never washed out, without a care in the world.
>
> What do other think about the whole plastic bottle thing and this 
> potential change?
>
>
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