But Ben, did ya slap any colorful parts on those bikest? You didn’t? You have your assignment. 🤣
Also, who else thinks that water bottle features a Cheviot and not a Ram? ❤️Leah
I have a 61 cm Roadeo and a 64 cm Rambouillet. I've had the Roadeo since '14 and the Ram since '21. I'm glad Patrick likes his Roadeo (it's a great bike!), but I am gonna throw some cold water on this here thread.
For all intents and purposes the Ram and Roadeo are the same bike. There are some minor differences in geometry between them: Ram has an extra 1 cm of chainstay length, it also may have ever so slightly less rake and therefore less trail, and, most surprisely, a bit more BB drop than the Roadeo. But we are talking really small differences here. And yes, the Ram also has slightly thicker tubing, but again in a surprising way, the butts are thicker on the Ram, but the belly of the tubing appears to the be the same on both (8-5-8 vs 7-5-4). Not sure if the butts are also somehow correspondingly shorter, leading to Grant's comment about the tubing be a reason why no DT bosses.
But I can tell you they handle exactly the same. I have both mine setup pretty similar: same handlebars (but 2 cm wider on the Ram), same extra ligre RH 700x38's, same pedals, both centerpull brakes. The biggest difference is probably the STI Ultegra shifter's on the Roadeo vs the Ram's friction DT's. I do wish the Roadeo also had DT bosses, but then again I have the Ram for that.
Both bikes are an absolute dream to ride. I've put alot of km's on the Roadeo and that's the bike I've done my most epic rides on. But (and I think Leah will appreciate what I'm gonna say next) I just feel like the Ram has a bit more personality to it. Maybe it's the headbadge. Maybe it's the DT friction shifters. Maybe it's the color? And I've also had some epic rides on the Ram too and find myself pulling it off the hook alot more than the Roadeo lately. But I did ride the Roadeo recently and now thinking about it, I think I'll vow to fix the nagging issues I have with it (I absolutely hate the cable housing I used on the last overhaul: it feels crunchy when engaged). So, in a way, I think doing a little bit of what Leah suggests: I got a couple of the same heavenly bike, made different iterations, and I should probably just ride off into sunset.
And to answer Waffle's question: no, the Roaduni is essentially a single speed Roadini. And my understanding is that Roadini does have a pretty significant differences between it and the Roadeo.
Hello is the roadeo = roaduno?
About that link in reference to the DT shift bosses on the Roadeo, I got a good laugh with former written identity about "who would ride DT shifters on a Bombadil ?".
That'd be ME ! Ahahahahahaha ! And the trusty 1980something Suntour Sprint ones at that, utterly marvelous mechanisms. I have 3 and one half sets, one set still new, ready for my next bike :-) The 31.8mm DT sets them apart by just a tiny but noticeable amount.
Never say never, but I doubt I'll be using brifters, let alone indexed DT shifters anytime soon. DT shifters offer such good feel for the derailleur. Very precise. I still have some wonky jumps w/9-speed in the cold when head is covered though, as modern cog design makes for such easy movement, intentional or not ! Sachs 7sp FW is like 7 single speed cogs, once in place on a given cog it isn't moving easily. That my story and sticking to it :) ..... like a candle in the wind that is !
On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 6:28:24 PM UTC-4 Mojo wrote:
From my quiver and perspective, my Legolas (arguably a gravel Roadeo) is more nimble than my 2001 custom, which is more nimble than my Quickbeam.
Joe in GJT
Just found this, with regard to DT bosses:
On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 11:40:56 AM UTC-7 Pat McCullar wrote:
I have a vague (and possibly incorrect) recollection that the Rodeo was originally only available without the downtube bosses, at least partially because it allowed thinner walls for the downtube.
Pat
On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 11:35:32 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
"The issue I have with ROADEO is no DT lever bosses."
This is an incorrect statement. The Roadeo is/was built to order, and when one ordered a Roadeo, they specified a small number of things, including whether or not they wanted down tube shifter bosses. My Roadeo has down tube shifter bosses, because I ordered it that way. Some Roadeo frames out there in second-hand-land don't have down tube shifter bosses because the human being who originally ordered it didn't choose down tube shifter bosses. When there has been a floor model Roadeo at Riv HQ, it has usually been spec'd by Mark Abele, who tends to like brifters and the minimalist setup of an inline barrel adjuster and slotted stops on the down tube.
One time when I walked in, several years back, Will told me that the staff was split 50/50 on whether to do down tube shifter bosses on the new forthcoming Leo Roadini model, and Will asked me to cast the tie-breaking vote. I voted for down tube shifter bosses, and the Roadini still has them.
Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 11:22:05 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
I hopped on the RAM @ 2004, still aboard.
Joe Bell applied his magic a few years ago to clean up a small spot of corrosion in a.weird place under one of the seat-stays. I'm crazy about that kind of stuff, just can't have it. RAM replaced a Waterford RSE22 (road sport extended) which, for some reason, didn't work for me—and then WF retired RSE shortly thereafter.
I suspect ROADEO is a bit lighter but RAM works well for me...certainly as entertaining as my custom, skinny-tube EBISU which is quite spritely for want of a better word. The issue I have with ROADEO is no DT lever bosses. The complexity of brifters annoys me so I'm married to DA downtube levers...and I enjoy the shifting. Right hand for both derailers—the way Eddy used to do it 🙃
YMMV, of course, but some of our eccentricities remind me of arguing about those angels on the head of a pin.
Jock (who's writing rather than pedaling on account of too wet out there just now)
That’s very interesting; thanks. At least, it reassures me that my “no science used here” seat-of-pants estimation of ride differences isn’t pure fantasy. At any rate, the Roadeo seems to have hit the perfect mix of stability and agility to suite my very particular taste.
I've never ridden a Roadeo or a Rambouillet, but I do have a custom that Rivendell refers to as a "semi-relaxed road bike". After a visit to Rivendell earlier this year, and a discussion with Grant, I came away with the following understanding of the difference of these bikes: the Roadeo is more nimble than my custom; my custom is more nimble than a Rambouillet. Grant referred to head-tube shallowness (I think), not nimbleness, but I think the one affects the other. I think that would be consistent with your experience with your new Roadeo and memories of your Rambouillet.
I did ride a Roadini while I as there, but not enough to appreciate any difference from my custom.
On Saturday, October 25, 2025 at 9:15:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
Yes, a stable of at least 4, no make that 5, heck, let’s say 6 sparkling Roadeos each with different builds and colors (19 lb gofast, 17 lb fixed gear gofast, errand/commuting multispeed IGH fixed with racks, fenders, lights, ditto IGH freewheel (AM hub) errand, dirt road model modified with new fork to take 48s, oh, the possibilities are endless!
I’m very grateful to have the one. I do wish the components weren’t anodized black that scuffs and scratches so easily, but I can change that in the future. Meanwhile I have been very pleasantly surprised at how much I like it as-is. I just fear that it might become my fave, and then what will I say to the 1999? Even worse, riding with multiple derailleur gears may become my new normal instead of riding fixed gear.
Immediate changes: try a nice pair of original Dura Ace single pivots, the model with the very nice barrel-shaped qr, with salmon pads of course, in place of the lackluster Tektros with OEM pads; switch braking to right lever/front brake; replace the 11-32 with a 14-32 to get rid of annoying mid-range 2-tooth gaps.
Will keep reporting … and reporting, and reporting, and reporting, and repor...
Do like me, get a couple more of the same heavenly bike, make different iterations, ride off into sunset. Bonus if you clap rainbow-y colored flashy parts on there.
On Friday, October 24, 2025 at 8:09:42 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
and the arms feel more relaxed, with a more natural bend when on the hoods ...
… s; it all feels much better, meaning that the torso is more naturally “suspended between saddle and bar and the arms feel more relaxed, with a more natural bend when on the hooks ...
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