Interesting to read your experiences with micro adjustments...I am guilty 
as well. It is true that duplicating measurements is a good starting point 
but never sufficient on its own. Like Garth, I have a notebook of useless 
numbers. So many others factors are impossible to quantitate.
In my case, as I live with 2 different types of arthritis, I have some days 
that are better than others, sometimes in subtle ways, and that affects my 
comfort on the bike. Rather than make multiple micro-adjustments, I try to 
follow "Alan's rule of Three".  If the same issue  occurs 3 times on 
successive rides I assume it's the bike and not me, and I'll make the 
change, small as it may be. My wife can't possibly understand my constant 
futtzing with it all.
Not sure I do either.

Alan 
NYC spending more time in the gym than I'd like

On Saturday, January 31, 2026 at 12:37:10 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Update: continued the fine-tuning operation today by moving the saddle 
> forward by 3-4 mm and tilting it up by one very fine notch in the DA 7410 
> seatpost, and also lowering it by about the same 3-4 mm — altogether, much 
> better. Raising the bar often requires increasing the saddle tilt *pari 
> passu* (as they say). The bike now has much more that “simply fall into a 
> natural hand/arm/shoulder position” that so characterizes the 1999. Not 
> *quite* as much, but close.
>
> As Garth said, each bike needs its peculiar adjustments, but since this 
> frame is, or ought to be, a geometrical clone of the benchmark 1999 Joe, 
> that did stand well as a model or starting point. And of course, my 
> measurements, when comparing reaches and heights, are very likely rather 
> crude.
>
> https://youtu.be/-RlbYMVlq3k
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2026 at 10:10 AM Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I mispoke; the change was closer to 3 mm or 1/8”; perhaps 4 mm. Still, 
>> you are right about small adjustments in saddle height — and in saddle 
>> tilt, IME.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2026 at 8:06 AM Ted Durant <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 4:49:22 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> This once again annoyed me on today’s errand ride, so after some more 
>>> compulsive measuring I decided that I’d missed the exact bar/stem height by 
>>> a couple of mm, and raised the bar by a scant 1/4” — scant in the sense 
>>> used in recipes.
>>>
>>> Transformation! So do such miniscule adjustments make big differences. 
>>> I’m very glad, as the Matt IGH fixed gear gets a lot of miles.
>>>
>>>
>>> I can relate. Think about it, though - if you changed your saddle height 
>>> by 6mm, you'd notice that, right? 
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee, WI USA
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