While I don't own that particular jacket Patrick, my experience is with like principled jackets from Sportful. As I mentioned earlier, these jackets are more of all-in-one type garments. A out facing fabric of some sort bonded to wind barrier and a thin fleece lining, with various highly breathable fleece panels on the side of the torso, or on the back, or in the case of Sportful even the underside of the sleeves. With these you don't need to wear multiple jerseys, usually just a warm baselayer is good down to freezing on the warmest jackets. Some that have the fleece back are for more modest cold. This system works for me because I'm most sensitive to the effect of wind blowing over sweat. What these jackets do is create a relatively stable climate next to the skin without being whisked away by the cold wind. I'm someone who sweats very easily, even in the coldest of cold, and I also take chill easily. Some people are not however. If you're unaffected by the wind blowing over sweat then you'd be better of sticking with what you know.
I had tried most every non-laminated/coated windbreaker type jacket and vest with a thick jersey and baselayer over the years, but I found they let in too much air or I'd overheat and had to stop and take something off, and freeze while I'm doing it. Now I never have to take the jacket off. I can't speak to any sweat and body oils affecting these jackets. Maybe a traditional 2/3 layer Goretex fabric was prone to that, I cant say. I think it's a case by case thing as there's too many variables to lump all 3-layer fabrics into one box of failures. Not everyone washes their clothing properly either. As for Voler sizing on a given garment, I'd suggest emailing them and asking for the actual garment measurements, and they'll get back to you in a few days with them. In general they do seem to be very regular American sizing, which to me means slightly oversized. I would suspect a medium in the jacket if good for you, as it's called an "adaptive fit", which for them would be in between club/loose and race/form fitting. On Friday, March 6, 2026 at 1:19:43 PM UTC-5 [email protected] wrote: > I should have said: ~160, 6-foot+ torso (5'11' Asian buld). > > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2026 at 11:15 AM Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > >> ... 1. Sizing. For for someone who has a long torso and weighs ~160 ... >> > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2026 at 11:15 AM Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Garth: Would you mind answering a couple of questions about that Voler >> jacket? (Richard Rose and others, please chime in too.) >> >> https://store.voler.com/products/1010p12?variant=45399184703678 >> >> 1. Sizing. For for someone who has a long torso and weighs ~160, the >> chart would indicate the Med, but if you want to wear it over 1 or 2 normal >> weight wool jerseys (I wear Wabi Sports jerseys) without things getting too >> tight, would a L or even XL be better? For the record, for cold weather LS >> jerseys I wear Wabi Large Longs, which are snug but not tight, and for >> summer where I want a looser fit, I have a Wabi XL but standard and not >> Long cut. >> >> 2. Wind blocking and breathing: does the fabric really breath >> effectively, as wool does, while still acting as a wind barrier? >> >> 3. Durability: does the breathing performance last the life of the >> garment? I've read that pretty quickly Gore and other breathable fabrics >> get "blocked" by bodily residues left by transpiration. >> >> One reason that I like the old knit wool + nylon panels is that wool >> breaths very well and nylon panels in the right places block wind very well >> and the right combination prevents sweating while also blocking heat loss >> from wind on torso and arms, and there's no delicate technology to make >> things stop working after a few years. >> >> I have a wonderful heavy knit merino wool sweater, high zip-up neck, >> extended tail, very long arms, from Varusteleka. Perhaps I should have a >> tailor sew nylon panels onto front torso and arms. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2026 at 6:12 AM Garth <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Having tried all sort of combos of wind jacket/vests and various layers >>> underneath, I now much prefer wearing the modern cycling jackets that are >>> really a hybrid jacket/jersey in one garment. While my needs are served by >>> Sportful and their brilliant Fiandre line that use highly breathable Gore >>> Infinium proprietary fabrics, I otherwise would try a Voler Thermal and/or >>> Wind jacket/vests. These these have a combo of wind resistant >>> panels(w/bonded fleece on the thermal) and stretchy highly breathable >>> panels. Plus 2-way zippers. They have a 30 day wear and try return policy >>> also. The thermal is a fitted jacket, meaning it's meant to drape over you >>> without being too tight or baggy, room for some layering underneath if >>> needed. I find though with such jackets though a single baselayer shirt of >>> varying warmths work best to maintain a constant core temp without >>> overheating. Even if you do briefly, unzip it just a little for a brief >>> stint. This is where 2-way zippers are awesome ! I would say the thermal >>> jacket is for about freezing to about 60F, depending on what's underneath. >>> >>> >>> https://store.voler.com/products/1010p11? >>> On Monday, March 2, 2026 at 1:15:40 AM UTC-5 Robert Tilley wrote: >>> >>>> Mission Workshop sold something like that called the Mission Cardigan. >>>> It was merino wool and had a windproof front on the torso. It was >>>> disappointing that the sleeves were all merino and had no windproofing on >>>> them. This shows what it looked like: >>>> >>>> milled.com >>>> <https://milled.com/mission-workshop/new-mission-cardigan-mission-workshop-z1A2jzSauYv0GyK9> >>>> >>>> <https://milled.com/mission-workshop/new-mission-cardigan-mission-workshop-z1A2jzSauYv0GyK9> >>>> >>>> <https://milled.com/mission-workshop/new-mission-cardigan-mission-workshop-z1A2jzSauYv0GyK9> >>>> >>>> The pre-resurrection Ibex had the Breakaway jacket which was perfect. >>>> Decently heavy merino with windproof front. I have two still. One in use >>>> and one in the stash. My favorite cycling jacket of all time. Arc’Teryx >>>> made a similar jacket in their commuter line which was close but not quite >>>> as nice. >>>> >>>> Robert Tilley >>>> San Diego, CA >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Mar 1, 2026, at 2:37 PM, Patrick Moore <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I generally layer wool under a wind shell of greater or less thickness >>>> depending on the temp, wind, and presence of absence of the sun (35* air >>>> temp on shaded front porch at 8:30 am and shirt sleeves on back porch in >>>> full morning sun at 5K feet), and with my very lightly lined Leatt shell I >>>> had pit zips installed so that it’s good over layers from 18*F to (remove >>>> layers to single wool jersey) 60*F with neck and pits open. >>>> >>>> But what I’d really like to find is one of those old-fashioned heavy >>>> knit wool zip up jackets with nylon wind panels on the front and the front >>>> of the arms, leaving the backs open for ventilation through the wool >>>> fabric. Those are IME truly the best of both worlds: very warm, but very >>>> breathable. >>>> >>>> Someone very kindly gave me an Italian one that he’d bought in the >>>> 1980s, but it’s too short — I have a 6’2” torso on a 5’8” width, and this >>>> is cut for a fat Italian. Does anyone know where to find such >>>> old-fashioned >>>> wool knit + nylon wind panel jackets? >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 28, 2026 at 5:21 PM Jay <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In anticipation of spring, or at least riding in above 0C >>>>> temperatures, I'm looking for a new mid-weight jacket. >>>>> >>>>> My winter jacket is Gore, it's very warm. My current mid-weight >>>>> jacket is screaming-yellow, some Italian brand I can't recall, but it has >>>>> zero breathability. It's good for single-digit (Celsius) temps, but I >>>>> sweat a lot inside the jacket and eventually get cold. I have a thin >>>>> wind >>>>> jacket I can wear around 5C+ with sufficient base layers, and it breathes >>>>> better. >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking for something between the warm Gore jacket and the wind >>>>> jacket. Would like some wind resistance (on the front) and some >>>>> breathability. Not racing-tight fit, but not baggie either. 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