If your into 9 speeds Probike kit has the Shimano 9 speed DA for $76
including cables and no shipping or tax charge to the states
http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=D1089



On Mar 7, 9:45 am, doug peterson <dougpn...@cox.net> wrote:
> Charlie:
>
> If you make those washers out of brass, I'm interested.  Regardless of
> the life expectancy of the gray plastic washers, the brass would be a
> lot better looking...even nicer after some exposure to the elements.
> Functionality plus aesthetics.
>
> dougP
>
> On Mar 6, 3:04 pm, charlie <charles_v...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I enjoy mine mounted on the down tube as they are long enough to reach
> > and they are silky smooth. To be honest they are just levers to me
> > ratcheting or not (although that feature is pleasant) they allow me to
> > derail the chain onto a different cog and that's about it. The fact
> > that they look nice on the bike is a bonus. They seem to be well made
> > and in spite of the little plastic washer thingy that sometimes
> > cracks, mine have been going strong for several years now. I will make
> > my own exact duplicate washers out of brass because I can and in fact,
> > I could make many of them but it wouldn't affect my choice to buy them
> > again. The Shimano's seem nice but I don't index and the only others I
> > have used are Campagnolo's and the old Suntour ratcheting ones that
> > keep on ticking on my old Raleigh. I acquired them off an old junk
> > bike for free. I don't know if the Shimano levers work or look good on
> > the down tube but the Silvers do and I am satisfied.
>
> > On Mar 6, 1:09 pm, Mike S <mikeshalj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I have Shimano Ultegra bar end shifters on a bike of mine, and in my
> > > opinion they work splendidly. I've never had any mechanical problem
> > > with them in two years, they're made in Japan (I think) and I don't
> > > know of any plasticy vulnerabilities. They are also $35 cheaper than
> > > the Silvers, so I'm wondering why/if people think the Silvers are far
> > > superior?
>
> > > I was going to get the SIlvers when I was setting this bike up, but
> > > the price tag was a bit hefty compared to the Shimanos. ANybody got an
> > > argument as to why Silvers are worth it?
>
> > > On Mar 6, 2:05 pm, charlie <charles_v...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Its okay Grant.......I'd say most of us are sensible enough to realize
> > > > the insignificance and accept the commonly available  substitute born
> > > > of Yankee ingenuity.
>
> > > > On Mar 6, 10:30 am, grant <grant...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Nobody should be horrified, shocked, or even disappointed that we
> > > > > "spec'd a part with fragile plastic." There's more to it than that.
> > > > > We don't get lab results or long-term test results for every part on
> > > > > every component we use. There's a certain amount of faith involved, or
> > > > > else you can't move. In this case, the same sources were used for the
> > > > > Silver washers as were used for the SunTour Sprint washers, and I've
> > > > > had them last 5 years. "Failure" means they crack or a chunk falls
> > > > > out, but they are failsafe----meaning safe when they've failed. We
> > > > > don't use plastic forks (except for eating with sometimes), but a
> > > > > plastic washer now and then....it's not horrid.
> > > > > Two years ago we offered a 3-piece metal and plastic mix of washers
> > > > > you could get at a hardware store. We provided them free for the
> > > > > asking. Beyond that, we told the maker Hey Please Do Better, and
> > > > > before we OK'd the "improved" part, we hung it and an old one out in
> > > > > the sun, zip-tied to a bike rack where it could get sunbaked badly.
> > > > > Then we tried to mash both. The old cracked, the new didn't, and those
> > > > > are the ones we got now.
>
> > > > > Grant "this is as defensive as I get, and sorry 'bout it" Petersen
>
> > > > > On Mar 5, 2:23 pm, Justin August <justinaug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Took out the Bleriot with Hetres for a spin and while hanging out
> > > > > > reading a book it fell over and now one of my compression washers is
> > > > > > cracked. Annoying, can't believe Riv specced a part with fragile
> > > > > > plastic, etc….
>
> > > > > > My question: Do I wait for VO to get more in stock or can I use
> > > > > > something else? Can I use a leather washer instead of a compression
> > > > > > washer?
>
> > > > > > Or am I boned?
>
> > > > > > Pics of the Bleriot: (ignore my front derailler cable 
> > > > > > fray)http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/5500751630/in/set-721576245...Hide
> > > > > >  quoted text -
>
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