On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:27 PM, bicyclebill wrote:

> My Butler originally had Campy downtube shifters and, aside
> from the question of reach, they were extremely vague and had a mind
> of their own about shifting.

Campy friction downtube shifters *did* have a mind of their own about shifting 
and combined with the Nuovo/Super Record generation of derailleurs were rather 
vague.  It's really kind of astonishing they had the reputation they did and 
the death grip on the pro peloton and peloton wannabees that they did.  And for 
as long as they did.  The technology didn't change for about 25 years until Sun 
Tour came along with the slant parallelogram.

There's no need to apologize.  My generation of cyclists (50+) fetishized Campy 
Nuovo and Super Record, but that stuff frankly didn't really work all that 
well.  That said, I've still got my NR and SR derailleurs in a box in the 
basement and I ain't giving them up.  Hmmm, I may need to go check and see if 
they're OK before I go to work.

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