I find my canti adjustment prowess doping enhanced... a ice cold pilsner on a this hot afternoon,.. Ahem, ________________________________________ From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Peter Morgano [uscpeter11...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 11:20 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Lance Armstrong Stripped of Tour de France Titles
I would rather discuss the aspects of drying paint than this Lance stuff. This has nothing to do with my continued frustration in adjusting the cantis on my Bombadil, I think the pads are too toed in. On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net<mailto:tim...@bitstream.net>> wrote: That's not what the judge said according to all the news articles I saw. What I saw reported was that the judge determined that USADA had jurisdiction and that the case belonged in that process. In his opinion the court had no reason to intervene- Lance brought it to court trying to get the process stopped, the USADA did not file the case in the court. As a former bike racing fan for some 40 years, I followed the Tour de France and a hundred other races every year very closely. Lance was a star rider before his cancer and his comeback to win his first Tour was tremendous. And then he won year after year with famous (and infamous) determination and drive. Then the doping stories came out. Not about Lance but about the racers he defeated at the top of the leader board and the also-rans. And I started wondering how a man could dominate, year after year, a field full of dopers. The obvious answer was that he was doping too and that he was a lot better at it than his competitors. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and defended him, but the obvious became too obvious. Doping in pro cycling is a very long tradition dating back since the start of the sport. I think that accounts for the willingness of the UCI and race organizers to look the other way. In Europe, pro cycling is big money and money buys closed eyes; a lot of money buys a lot of closed eyes- sort of like Congress and lobbyists. Pro bike racing seems to be about as honest as professional wrestling. So I came to believe that Lance doped. I watched closely as Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton and Jan Ullrich and others proclaimed their innocence and waged a media battle and sometimes bizarre legal battles. Now we've seen Lance sounding exactly like Floyd and Tyler: strident and whiny. Lance even pulled out the "unconstitutional" card, claiming that the lawfully created American oversight body for sports and doping doesn't have the authority to oversee HIM. Funny that he didn't make that argument when it was Floyd and Tyler in the crosshairs. Lance also forgot the truth that "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel," as he invoked the Constitution to hide behind. So what we are left with is a tacit admission of guilt by Lance Amstrong. The strong suspicion must be that he gave up the fight not because it was unfair or unconstitutional but because he was going to lose. By quitting now he protects some ambiguity. Why is this important? Because Lance was paid millions of taxpayer dollars as a professional athlete whose results were the result of cheating. He appears to have perpetrated fraud against the American people personally and financially. This actually is a big deal. It's also got nothing to do with RBW and we probably shouldn't discuss it here, come to think of it. There are plenty of other venues. Tim On Aug 24, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Marc Irwin <irwin7...@gmail.com<mailto:irwin7...@gmail.com>> wrote: What is also inevitable is a protest and appeal by the UCI. They have protested the jurisdiction of the USADA since the case was introduced and the judge in Dallas told the USADA they didn't have a case worthy of judge to hear. Oh well, it seems the races are "cleaner" now, except for Bradley Wiggins' mouth. Marc On Friday, August 24, 2012 5:37:40 AM UTC-4, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com<http://gmail.com> wrote: Seems inevitable, really, either because Lance *is* guilty of doping or because, by consistently beating others shown to have been doping, he so tested the objectivity of the testing agencies that they could never be happy until they convicted him. I doubt we've heard the last of this, though. . . lyle -- lyle f bogart dpt 156 bradford rd wiscasset, me 04578 207.882.6494<tel:207.882.6494> 206.794.6937<tel:206.794.6937> On 24 August 2012 01:47, Jim Cloud <clou...@aol.com> wrote: Just picked this up from internet traffic: http://news.yahoo.com/lance-armstrong-stripped-tour-france-titles-internet-shock-233032763.html Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. 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