Maybe Greg spent too much time around the Framesaver. I hear it can kill brain cells, haha.
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:42 PM, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > My money is with Steve Palinscar. > > This reminds me of a long debate/argument I had with a coworker at the > bike shop. My coworker, Greg, insisted that an 18lb road bike was way > faster than a 20lb road bike. That's a commonly held position, as we all > know. I pointed out what I believe to be true that losing 2lbs off your > body is equivalent to losing 2lbs off your bike. That's another commonly > held position, as we've all heard and read a dozen times. This is where > the debate got weird. > > Greg insisted that 2lbs off the bike is 10%, and therefore is equivalent > to losing 10% of the rider's body weight. an 18lb bike is way faster than > a 20lb bike because it is 10% lighter. A 180lb rider is way faster than a > 200lb rider, because he is 10% lighter. So it is more effective to lose a > pound off the bike than it is off the body. > > I tried to counter his argument with the absurd example. If mid climb, > you took your full water bottle off your bike and put it in your jersey > pocket, would you feel an instant rush of speed because the bike got 10% > lighter and the rider got 1% heavier? Greg insisted ABSOLUTELY YES, you > would feel a burst of speed. The debate devolved from there. Greg > insisted heavy shoes and light pedals is way faster since the pedal is part > of the bike and the shoe is a part of the rider. He explained that cleats > are special, where the weight is shared. My head exploded shortly > thereafter and the argument ended. > > On Monday, January 14, 2013 11:10:01 AM UTC-8, eflayer wrote: >> >> now that is an interesting proposal. i'd bet against you on that one >> though :) >> On Monday, January 14, 2013 6:24:34 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, 2013-01-13 at 20:13 -0800, eflayer wrote: >>> > I was surprised the OP did not think that pounds of extra weight might >>> > not be responsible for the go fast feel of his go fast bike...even >>> > though by some standards both are relatively heavy. But 4 pounds is 4 >>> > pounds. I was suggesting weight is a significant factor in the gestalt >>> > of how a bike rides and feels to the rider. >>> >>> I don't think so. Does your bike feel different when ridden with full >>> vs. no water bottles, or with full vs. empty water bottles? I doubt you >>> could make any guess at all about the state of your water supply from >>> the way your bike feels. >>> >>> Frame stiffness, now that's a totally different story, and one that is >>> largely independent of weight. Different tires can make a bike feel >>> very different, too -- and again, not because of any weight difference. >>> >>> I'm confident if someone loaded the water bottles on your Specialized >>> with lead shot to bring it up to the weight of your other bike, it would >>> still feel different and better to you. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/c6xP4xRO-q0J. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
