I can't decifer your geometry numbers, but I suspect the rodeos chain stays are shorter and its bottom bracket is higher. I think you said the top tube was shorter too, though some of that could just be due to a steeper seat tube. So you end up with a shorter wheelbase and a higher center of gravity. Of course there is also the whole head tube angle, fork rake trail thing too. All those geometry items affect handleing.
On Feb 1, 5:42 pm, Toshi Takeuchi <tto...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Jeremy, > > Good observations and questions. I have a 54 Ram, 54 AHH and 53 Roadeo. > All of the handlebars are set to about seat level height. All use Rivet > pearl saddles pushed pretty far back, and 2 use Nitto lugged seatposts and > the Roadeo uses a VO setback seatpost. > > Between the Roadeo and AHH, one of the biggest differences is in the top > tube length. I noticed that it's 53.5 for the Roadeo and 56 for the AHH, > so all other things similar, maybe the shorter top tube is the major factor > contributing to the increased handlebar responsiveness. > > size bb drop mm tt slope stand over cm st angle ht angle rake cm top > tube cm chain stay cm 54 AHH 67 1.5 78.6 72 71 4.9 56 43.5 53 Roadeo 75 2 > 78.7 73 72 4.9 53.5 43 > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Jeremy Till <jeremy.t...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the great write up, very interesting. Your description of how > > your Ram and AHH ride very much is how I would describe the handling of > both > > of my bikes, a Quickbeam and my '08 Salsa Casseroll. However, I think > some > > of this is down to frame design (obviously in the case of the Quickbeam) > and > > some of this is how I've setup my fit on both of these bikes, namely > > following basically a "Riv" fitting philosophy with handlebars basically > at > > seight height and with generous amounts of seat setback, so my weight is > > carried mostly on the saddle and not on my hands. I think that these > > handling characteristics have a lot to do with overall weight distribution > > on the bike, morseso than the geometric nuances between them (Casseroll is > > slightly steeper and longer than the Quickbeam). > > > A while ago I was getting ready for a ride with some friends and a friend > > who mostly rides full-on racing bikes hopped on my Salsa and took it for a > > spin up the street and down; upon return he described its handling as > "like > > an audax bike" (he's Australian, that's what they call rando bikes) and > > noted that it was slow to turn in. That struck me as odd because I never > > experienced it as having slow handling, and I replied by describing it the > > same way you describe it: it is responsive, you just have to steer with > your > > butt, not your hands. > > > All of this is to ask, out of curiousity: is your fit on the Roadeo > > basically the same as on the Ram and AHH? Are the handlebars in a similar > > position vis a vis the seat, and is the seat setback similar? Does the > > Roadeo in your size have a comparable seat tube angle to the Ram and AHH? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
