I'm using threadless, and the bars may be about 1 cm lower than on my other bikes, but that, in combination with the 2.5 cm shorter top tube may be the largest difference. I don't know what a 1 degree difference in the head tube and seat tube will make. Right now I'm using Schwalbe Kojak tires.
The Roadeo has a larger bottom bracket drop compared to the AHH by 8 mm, but it's using 700c wheels, compared to 650b wheels, so it may be a wash in terms of absolute bottom bracket height... Toshi On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:01 PM, David Sprunger <sprun...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi. Interesting discussion. Do you use a quill or threadless stem? Even > the bikes with the threadless headsets seem to have bars near the seat > level, but one wonders if the threadless setups have slightly lower bars > and if that characteristic changes one's perception of how the bike handles. > David Sprunger > Fargo, ND > > > > > On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Toshi Takeuchi <tto...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Jeremy, >> >> Good observations and questions. I have a 54 Ram, 54 AHH and 53 Roadeo. >> All of the handlebars are set to about seat level height. All use Rivet >> pearl saddles pushed pretty far back, and 2 use Nitto lugged seatposts and >> the Roadeo uses a VO setback seatpost. >> >> Between the Roadeo and AHH, one of the biggest differences is in the top >> tube length. I noticed that it's 53.5 for the Roadeo and 56 for the AHH, >> so all other things similar, maybe the shorter top tube is the major factor >> contributing to the increased handlebar responsiveness. >> >> size bb drop mm tt slope stand over cm st angle ht angle rake cm top >> tube cm chain stay cm 54 AHH 67 1.5 78.6 72 71 4.9 56 43.5 53 Roadeo 75 >> 2 78.7 73 72 4.9 53.5 43 >> >> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Jeremy Till <jeremy.t...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Thanks for the great write up, very interesting. Your description of >> how >> > your Ram and AHH ride very much is how I would describe the handling of >> both >> > of my bikes, a Quickbeam and my '08 Salsa Casseroll. However, I think >> some >> > of this is down to frame design (obviously in the case of the >> Quickbeam) and >> > some of this is how I've setup my fit on both of these bikes, namely >> > following basically a "Riv" fitting philosophy with handlebars >> basically at >> > seight height and with generous amounts of seat setback, so my weight is >> > carried mostly on the saddle and not on my hands. I think that these >> > handling characteristics have a lot to do with overall weight >> distribution >> > on the bike, morseso than the geometric nuances between them (Casseroll >> is >> > slightly steeper and longer than the Quickbeam). >> > >> > A while ago I was getting ready for a ride with some friends and a >> friend >> > who mostly rides full-on racing bikes hopped on my Salsa and took it >> for a >> > spin up the street and down; upon return he described its handling as >> "like >> > an audax bike" (he's Australian, that's what they call rando bikes) and >> > noted that it was slow to turn in. That struck me as odd because I >> never >> > experienced it as having slow handling, and I replied by describing it >> the >> > same way you describe it: it is responsive, you just have to steer with >> your >> > butt, not your hands. >> > >> > All of this is to ask, out of curiousity: is your fit on the Roadeo >> > basically the same as on the Ram and AHH? Are the handlebars in a >> similar >> > position vis a vis the seat, and is the seat setback similar? Does the >> > Roadeo in your size have a comparable seat tube angle to the Ram and >> AHH? >> > >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
