Excellent point, Jim. It's a good "problem" to have, choosing between two 
bikes. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, April 7, 2013 7:55:25 AM UTC-6, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> I owned an Atlantis for several years, and I own an Ogre now. I will be a 
> bit of a contrarian by agreeing with your decision to swap the Atlantis for 
> the Ogre. Aside from traditional geometry and lugs and the Rivendell 
> mystique, the Ogre has all the good stuff the Atlantis has, and then some. 
> Loads of tire clearance, more brake options, Rohloff option, numerous rack 
> options, trailer hitch option, easily single-speeded, tough, not as much 
> regret (or as hard to replace) if it gets damaged, etc.
>
> On Sunday, April 7, 2013 8:23:45 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> That makes sense, Drew. The consideration that with the Atlantis you can 
>> then easily switch back to an all-rounder at little to no cost down the 
>> road is worth including in the calculation. Yes, it costs a few hundred now 
>> (less if you can buy used components via a WTB post here), but the long 
>> term costs of the switch may be harder to see, especially for your wife. 
>> WIll you want to do a tour in the years to come? Some road/dirt rides? 
>> Living in Boulder, there are some amazing rides to Estes Park that offer 
>> great camping etc that an all-round Atlantis is built for. Whatever you 
>> decide, have a blast!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Saturday, April 6, 2013 10:11:30 PM UTC-6, drewjensen wrote:
>>>
>>> Believe me that I never envisioned selling it when I bought it.  It did 
>>> occur to me that I could retrofit the Atlantis to do more "tough stuff" 
>>> riding.  I started putting a list of all of the parts to really do it right 
>>> and it was going to be a few hundred dollars - and I started pitching it to 
>>> my wife and she couldn't get past the idea that I just had the wrong tool 
>>> for the job.  If I wanted to be riding on trails then I should stop trying 
>>> to make the Atlantis fit if another bike might do better.  Plus, a few 
>>> hundred dollars that we really don't have versus a revenue-neutral switch 
>>> to a mountain bike (hopefully).  
>>>
>>> Anyway, it's an emotional decision having to part with this bike, but if 
>>> you take the emotion out of it I think (hope) that it's the wise move.  I 
>>> guess we'll see. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 6, 2013 3:55:13 AM UTC-6, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.comwrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Drew!
>>>>
>>>> That is a sweet looking Atlantis! I'm going to second Tony's 
>>>> recommendation to try a set of fat knobby-type tires before parting with 
>>>> that bike. I've extensively used my Atlantis with Schwalbe Marathon XRs 
>>>> (700x40) on the trails and primitive roads on the Navajo Rez in the four 
>>>> corners area of Arizona and the riding is very similar to the trails in 
>>>> the 
>>>> Front Range area. The Atlantis is a great off-road bike with the right 
>>>> tires. Oh, and with the 700x40 XRs, there still miles of space, so easy 
>>>> enough to go much fatter.
>>>>
>>>> Good Luck!
>>>>
>>>> lyle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5 April 2013 12:01, Tonester <tony....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey there!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a fellow "custom color" Atlantis owner (red!) and totally get your 
>>>>> dilemma - fortunately I'm able to maintain a stable of bikes so the 
>>>>> temptation to sell the Atlantis doesn't come up.  I fed my jones for a 
>>>>> 29'er disc brake bike with a Civilian Luddite and love it, but not to the 
>>>>> extent of choosing it over the Riv.  Have you tried super-fat semi-knobs 
>>>>> on 
>>>>> the Atlantis?  Looks like the Ogre will handle up to a 2.5" tire , and 
>>>>> I've 
>>>>> seen Atlantii with 50mm slicks which is nearly 2".  I'd whip a set of 
>>>>> knobbies on the Atlantis and give it a go before giving it up.  I think 
>>>>> that yellow all-rounder that hit the list recently is one of the coolest 
>>>>> bikes I've ever seen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best of luck in any event!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, April 4, 2013 6:52:06 PM UTC-7, drewjensen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey everyone - I moved to the Boulder area a couple of years ago and 
>>>>>> there are so many great trails here compared to where I lived in the Bay 
>>>>>> Area for so long.  I've taken my Atlantis out on them, but my wife has 
>>>>>> tired of my suggesting new ways to retrofit it to make better use of the 
>>>>>> trails and so talked me into a Surly Ogre works a little better on the 
>>>>>> trails around here.  It's not an Atlantis, but I think it's the right 
>>>>>> tool 
>>>>>> for this job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alas, though, I need to do the fiscally responsible move and sell off 
>>>>>> my Atlantis.  I got it in 2006 when they were still Toyo made and had it 
>>>>>> painted a dark blue that I liked.  I had to save money for it for a 
>>>>>> couple 
>>>>>> of years and took great pains to get the best parts I could 
>>>>>> afford/justify 
>>>>>> for it.  Really, the only corner I can think that I cut was that I 
>>>>>> didn't 
>>>>>> get Phil Wood hubs but I stand behind all of my other choices in putting 
>>>>>> it 
>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, it's a sad day, but a necessary one.  If you know anyone 
>>>>>> looking for a 64 please pass along the information.  If anyone has any 
>>>>>> questions feel free to ask.  Thanks for your time.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Drew
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a link to my local CL listing:  http://boulder.craigslist.**
>>>>>> org/bik/3723729971.html<http://boulder.craigslist.org/bik/3723729971.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (note to moderator:  I attempted to use the tag, but got an error 
>>>>>> indicating that the tag was not for use in this forum)
>>>>>>
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