This makes more sense -- I generally agree. But I would insist that the
"object" an "subject" aspects go hand in hand without either one being
negligible. After all, what we "feel" is due to what is "out there" -- in
this case, how our bikes are set up. I bet Voigt was cursing a blue streak
as he pedaled away on the kid's bike.

Segway: One salient quality of 4/5 Rivs I've owned is how easy they are to
set up (for my preferences, obviously) and how "right" they feel without a
lot of tweaking -- the Ram being the latest case in point. But this is due,
I assume, largely to the identical or very close geometries of these four,
notable the angles and the top tube length.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyrfithMEb8

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Garth <garth...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> How one FEELS on a bike , is Entirely subjective !    Since the days of
> following bike racing as a kid .... I recall the lamenting over certain
> riders, Sean Kelley comes to mind.  The bike fit "experts" said his seat
> was way too low, he was too scrunched ... etc. etc.   Yet .... it worked
> for HIM !!   That is what I mean.  It's mind AND body working in unison ,
> to which there simply is no wonderformula .  What "looks" bad to one
> standard seen from without, Works from within.
>
> But there is a large range of which one can ride and ride well.  When one
> is "in tune" to themselves , there is no stopping them.  I recall a TDF a
> few years ago when Jens Voigt crashed in a stage, he had no team car
> around, so he grabbed a KIDS bike from the crowd and kept going until the
> team car could find him .  Now , this is short term of course .... but I
> bet if he had to finish a stage with it, he would still be just fine :)
>
> People are finicky about bike fit, because they are in a finicky state of
> mind .  Examine their lives and you'll see it's not just bikes they are
> finicky about .
>
>
>
>
>
>  Some of most fun rides I had as a teen was on a bike that was about 3-4
> inches less long and shorter in bar height !!
>
>
> On Friday, April 12, 2013 9:31:48 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Garth <gart...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep ... bike fit and feel is entirely subjective.
>>
>>
>> Is that true? Then lower (or raise) your saddle by 3", move it forward
>> (or back) by 2", think some powerfully good thoughts, and ride: if it all
>> is "subjective" -- by which you mean "in your mind" -- then the bike should
>> feel and work as well as it did before.
>>
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