One other log to toss on the fire: During a wonderfully muddy ride with Manny and the PDX Riv gang, my fenders kept junk off most everything, and my large saddlesack emerged essentially spic-n-span:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/8645949783/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/8646855277/in/set-72157633237315741/ On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:19 AM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, we must agree to differ, then. I've not use the Large, so perhaps it > is unique among saddlebags, but I have used the Hoss and the Sackville > Medium, and, compared to these, the ease of use (for grocery shopping and > about-town errands) the Banjos are better by a mile. Nothing to roll, > cinch, strap, fiddle: just a wide, gaping maw that willing > swallows absurd bulk. > > I hear that Ortlieb actually has a shopping pannier that is much like a > higher-quality Banjo -- basically a single, unobstructed cavity designed > with the appropriate stiffening so that, when you drop a standard paper (or > cloth) grocery sack) into the opening, there is nothing to obstruct its > downward progress. I hear that this Ortlieb model is much like the Banjos, > but better made with better materials and 3x the cost. > > At least you will admit that I have Gravity on my side! > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Anne Paulson <anne.paul...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Those Banjo Bros panniers look like my Ortlieb back roller panniers. Good >> panniers, but the 10.5" by 12" opening (approximately; I just measured it >> but it's not exactly rectangular as used) on the Large Saddlesack is far >> bigger, I'm pretty sure. It's just huge. >> >> >> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:04 AM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> But, but, but .... I agree if we are talking about, say, Ortlieb Packers >>> -- those otherwise very desirable and capacious panniers with so many >>> straps, cinches, and contours that interfere with quick, simple stuffing: I >>> have two pairs (Pluses and Sportses). But for shopping and quick stuffs, >>> nothing but nothing beats my Banjo Bros Market Panniers. Slam, dunk: even >>> grossly overstuffed cloth grocery sacks with large bottles distorting the >>> would-be rectangular sides sinke gratefully into the wide, inviting maw of >>> the BBMP mouths - desperately mixing metaphors here. Compared to at least >>> the Medium Saddlesack, no contest at all in the Swallow All And Very >>> Quickly category. >>> >>> I do agree about Paleo though. Or rather: all paleo and all carbs all >>> the time! >>> >>> Patrick Moore, washing his deep-fried french fries and fatty bacon -- >>> grease mingling with heavy mayo applications -- BLTs (all home made of >>> course) down with a wide selection of better beers and wines in ABQ, NM. >>> >>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Anne Paulson <anne.paul...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> The opening on the Large is easier to use than panniers. It's easier to >>>> put stuff in, and easier to get stuff out again, because the opening is >>>> bigger. Let's say you stop at the grocery store on the way home. You buy a >>>> gallon of milk, a big bag of potatoes (no paleo here!), some vegetables, a >>>> package of meat, some laundry detergent, some cans of tomatoes. Maybe you >>>> already had a jacket and your laptop along. With panniers, you have to >>>> painstaking allocate everything. With the Large Saddlesack, you just jam it >>>> all in, and scrooch stuff into the corners to fit everything. >>>> >>>> I like panniers for touring. I've crossed the US west to east, and also >>>> south to north, touring and camping with panniers, so I know what it's like >>>> to use panniers every day. But for daily commuting/around town/picking >>>> stuff up after a ride, the Large Saddlesack is my choice. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:17 AM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Question about the large: I can't imagine that the L would work >>>>> without a rack, but with a rack you can use panniers, which can have a >>>>> capacity even greater than that of the Sackville Large. So what is the >>>>> advantage of the Large over panniers, particularly since panniers are so >>>>> much easier on/off? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- Anne Paulson >>>> >>>> My hovercraft is full of eels >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html >>> patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com >>> >>> Albuquerque, NM >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- Anne Paulson >> >> My hovercraft is full of eels >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com > > Albuquerque, NM > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/eM3X8fvW_-4/unsubscribe?hl=en-US > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- "I want the kind of six pack you can't drink." -- Micah -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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