I'll echo Anne's observation. The large is just easier to use than panniers. It's easier to open, easier to find and access things inside, things don't get crushed on the bottom, and with a Nitto QR it's also easier to remove, taking about 0.2 seconds. In addition, you can use the large *with* panniers for touring, and now you have serious carrying capacity, but you should put something on the front to balance it out.
Matt On Monday, May 6, 2013 2:40:04 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote: > > Mostly I just put stuff in the Large. I don't cinch the straps; I just > leave them sloppily unbuckled 99% of the time, only strapping when I > overstuff dramatically, piling junk up . The opening on the Large is on the > top, and the large stays horizontal because it's on top of your rack. > Things don't fall out. Gravity is on my side too. > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:19 AM, PATRICK MOORE <bert...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Well, we must agree to differ, then. I've not use the Large, so perhaps >> it is unique among saddlebags, but I have used the Hoss and the Sackville >> Medium, and, compared to these, the ease of use (for grocery shopping and >> about-town errands) the Banjos are better by a mile. Nothing to roll, >> cinch, strap, fiddle: just a wide, gaping maw that willing >> swallows absurd bulk. >> >> I hear that Ortlieb actually has a shopping pannier that is much like a >> higher-quality Banjo -- basically a single, unobstructed cavity designed >> with the appropriate stiffening so that, when you drop a standard paper (or >> cloth) grocery sack) into the opening, there is nothing to obstruct its >> downward progress. I hear that this Ortlieb model is much like the Banjos, >> but better made with better materials and 3x the cost. >> >> At least you will admit that I have Gravity on my side! >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Anne Paulson >> <anne.p...@gmail.com<javascript:> >> > wrote: >> >>> Those Banjo Bros panniers look like my Ortlieb back roller panniers. >>> Good panniers, but the 10.5" by 12" opening (approximately; I just measured >>> it but it's not exactly rectangular as used) on the Large Saddlesack is far >>> bigger, I'm pretty sure. It's just huge. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:04 AM, PATRICK MOORE >>> <bert...@gmail.com<javascript:> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> But, but, but .... I agree if we are talking about, say, Ortlieb >>>> Packers -- those otherwise very desirable and capacious panniers with so >>>> many straps, cinches, and contours that interfere with quick, simple >>>> stuffing: I have two pairs (Pluses and Sportses). But for shopping and >>>> quick stuffs, nothing but nothing beats my Banjo Bros Market Panniers. >>>> Slam, dunk: even grossly overstuffed cloth grocery sacks with large >>>> bottles >>>> distorting the would-be rectangular sides sinke gratefully into the wide, >>>> inviting maw of the BBMP mouths - desperately mixing metaphors here. >>>> Compared to at least the Medium Saddlesack, no contest at all in the >>>> Swallow All And Very Quickly category. >>>> >>>> I do agree about Paleo though. Or rather: all paleo and all carbs all >>>> the time! >>>> >>>> Patrick Moore, washing his deep-fried french fries and fatty bacon -- >>>> grease mingling with heavy mayo applications -- BLTs (all home made of >>>> course) down with a wide selection of better beers and wines in ABQ, NM. >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Anne Paulson >>>> <anne.p...@gmail.com<javascript:> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> The opening on the Large is easier to use than panniers. It's easier >>>>> to put stuff in, and easier to get stuff out again, because the opening >>>>> is >>>>> bigger. Let's say you stop at the grocery store on the way home. You buy >>>>> a >>>>> gallon of milk, a big bag of potatoes (no paleo here!), some vegetables, >>>>> a >>>>> package of meat, some laundry detergent, some cans of tomatoes. Maybe you >>>>> already had a jacket and your laptop along. With panniers, you have to >>>>> painstaking allocate everything. With the Large Saddlesack, you just jam >>>>> it >>>>> all in, and scrooch stuff into the corners to fit everything. >>>>> >>>>> I like panniers for touring. I've crossed the US west to east, and >>>>> also south to north, touring and camping with panniers, so I know what >>>>> it's >>>>> like to use panniers every day. But for daily commuting/around >>>>> town/picking >>>>> stuff up after a ride, the Large Saddlesack is my choice. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:17 AM, PATRICK MOORE >>>>> <bert...@gmail.com<javascript:> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Question about the large: I can't imagine that the L would work >>>>>> without a rack, but with a rack you can use panniers, which can have a >>>>>> capacity even greater than that of the Sackville Large. So what is the >>>>>> advantage of the Large over panniers, particularly since panniers are so >>>>>> much easier on/off? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- Anne Paulson >>>>> >>>>> My hovercraft is full of eels >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>>>> . >>>>> Visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html >>>> patric...@resumespecialties.com <javascript:> >>>> >>>> Albuquerque, NM >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>>> . >>>> Visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- Anne Paulson >>> >>> My hovercraft is full of eels >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>> . >>> Visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html >> patric...@resumespecialties.com <javascript:> >> >> Albuquerque, NM >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to >> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > -- Anne Paulson > > My hovercraft is full of eels > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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