gotta agree with Matt on this one.. the diagram on Surly's site is pretty 
clear.  


and while I'm at it... Seems to me Grant ought to say more about top  tube 
length as part of the bike fit info.  Especially with his sloping top tube 
models.  For me I look at that 1st and seat tube length second.  It's a 
balance between the two that gets the best bike fit.  I see too many people 
with 60 or 70mm stems. First sign that the bike is too big.

~mike


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