It's not actually clear which frames on the current geometry chart show the 
effective rather than actual TT lengths.     I know for example that the 
Hunqapillar TT lengths listed are definitely not effective length though, I 
don't even think they are actual length.

Matt



On Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:29:18 AM UTC-4, James Warren wrote:
>
> To David Craig's question: no, for Atlantis and AHH, the TT listings are 
> actual, not effective. So with those two, the effective TT is a bit longer, 
> but the effect is relatively small due to low angles. 
>
> But yes it's true that the expanded frames (6 degree upslope ones) only 
> list the effective TT, not actual. 
>
> If you like geometry and trigonometry, I figured our how to calculate 
> effective TT length. If you're interested, send me a private message. 
>
> -Jim W. 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> On Jul 31, 2013, at 4:23 PM, David Craig <neritic...@gmail.com<javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
>
> > Point taken, Matt. 
> > 
> > On the topic of tt's, I seem to recall reading in something from RBW 
> that they list only the effective tt on the geometry charts. Is that true? 
> If so, does it apply to the Atlantis as well as the bikes with more angle 
> to the tt (Hilborne).? 
> > 
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