For that matter, in the industry in general why are so few TT upslope angles 
included in geometry info? With Rivs, for example, it's important to know that 
some models slope about 2 degrees, while others slope 6 degrees. The 6 degree 
ones shoot those bars up about 4 extra centimeters relative to the seat. (It's 
about a cm of height per degree.) fortunately, Rivendell is one company that 
does provide TT upslope numbers.


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On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:24 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Query: Why do most manufacturers use the C-T measurement, when the
> "top" is sorta' ambiguous? Seems like C-C is a more consistent
> measurement, and the way top tubes are measured as well. Juster
> wondering.
> 
> On 7/31/13, David Craig <neritic.mari...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Point taken, Matt.
>> 
>> On the topic of tt's, I seem to recall reading in something from RBW that
>> they list only the effective tt on the geometry charts. Is that true? If so,
>> does it apply to the Atlantis as well as the bikes with more angle to the tt
>> (Hilborne).?
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