I don't know if the Double TT is market driven, it seems to be a pretty divisive issue. Far be it for me to deny anyone their feelings about anything, especially Rivendell. But if the market is responding to what they are doing they would be fools to not jump on some of the trends. I would hate to think that its like a vacuum in Walnut Creek. I thin its like 51 flavors, something for everyone. I could personally take or leave the double TT, I am not smarts enough about geometry and planing and whatnot to know if it hurts or helps. I love the way my 56cm Bombadil rides, dunno if it would ride the same with one TT. It would be nice to offer people a choice, however, but that is probably cost prohibitive.
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not at all. Of course there are far worse things to be sad about, but if > that were our only guiding principle for emotion we'd be unemotional about > much that we, in fact, invest emotion in -- double top tubes, pro as well > as con, for that matter -- and this list would not exist. > > I admired Rivendell from the beginning for bucking style trends -- steel > when the only good material for a frame was aluminum or titanium; friction > when indexing was the only game; long rear-centers and shorter > front-centers compared to crit geometries; frames that take wider tires and > fenders and racks; and above all Grant's signature "feel" and handling > qualities. He said himself, long ago (I signed up as a member in1994) that > Rivendell was "product driven, not market driven". Now I don't think > Rivendel today is market driven -- I think it drives its own little market, > in fact -- but I have seen a trend toward style, albeit idiosyncratic, over > function -- tweed mudflaps, dual top tubes on smaller frames, and so forth. > > So, you say: go elsewhere. But I have emotion invested in Rivendell -- > I've owned 5 over the years, not to mention huge quantities of other gear > -- and therefore I feel sad when I see what appears to me to be > unreasonable designs. > > So, I believe I do have a right to my own feelings and opinions about > Rivendell -- long may it reign! > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I think there are far worse things to be rather sad about, a bit >> melodramatic isn't it? >> On Oct 16, 2013 11:22 PM, "Patrick Moore" <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Y'know, I didn't have to make that negative remark -- I know may listers >>> like the dtts. But, to justify my remark, as far as it needs to be >>> justified, I feel rather sad that Grant seems to have put style (a weird >>> one, admittedly) over function. Or am I wrong, and does a dtt on a 56 cm >>> frame serve a real function? >>> >>> Patrick "don't want to be negative, really" Moore >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Curtis <cmcy...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Nice bike for the tall folks. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-71cm-randonneur-build-/221299081509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3386740125 >>>> >>>> Ride Safe, >>>> >>>> Curtis >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* >>> Certified Resume Writer >>> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html >>> patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ >>> >>> Albuquerque, NM >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* > Certified Resume Writer > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > > Albuquerque, NM > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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