Patrick, Though I'd try to disguise the lower tt as a pump or somthing, Isn't that style? Your style. The beauty is that you have a choice. but I have seen a trend toward style, albeit idiosyncratic, over function -- tweed mudflaps, dual top tubes on smaller frames, and so forth "Sad" about "style" over "function" the two the two can be mutual, as far as I can tell "Riv" does a pretty good job of offering an alternative to the myriad of choices out there and as far as idiosyncratic, thank heaven for different...and sometimes a design even from the most heralded can fall short... I bow down to a mistake, for from doing thus I learn.
I don't intend to be snarky using *red* it's just late & I'm short cutting it. ~Hugh"Style" Smitham On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:31:26 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > I'll just add this: IF I could afford a Bombadil or Hunquapillar, AND if > the frame took disk brakes (I ride 44 mm boutique, lightweight, and > expensive rims), I'd buy one in a NY minute, dtt or no. (Though I'd try to > disguise the lower tt as a pump or somthing.) > > > On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Peter Morgano > <uscpet...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> I don't know if the Double TT is market driven, it seems to be a pretty >> divisive issue. Far be it for me to deny anyone their feelings about >> anything, especially Rivendell. But if the market is responding to what >> they are doing they would be fools to not jump on some of the trends. I >> would hate to think that its like a vacuum in Walnut Creek. I thin its >> like 51 flavors, something for everyone. I could personally take or leave >> the double TT, I am not smarts enough about geometry and planing and >> whatnot to know if it hurts or helps. I love the way my 56cm Bombadil >> rides, dunno if it would ride the same with one TT. It would be nice to >> offer people a choice, however, but that is probably cost prohibitive. >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Patrick Moore >> <bert...@gmail.com<javascript:> >> > wrote: >> >>> Not at all. Of course there are far worse things to be sad about, but if >>> that were our only guiding principle for emotion we'd be unemotional about >>> much that we, in fact, invest emotion in -- double top tubes, pro as well >>> as con, for that matter -- and this list would not exist. >>> >>> I admired Rivendell from the beginning for bucking style trends -- steel >>> when the only good material for a frame was aluminum or titanium; friction >>> when indexing was the only game; long rear-centers and shorter >>> front-centers compared to crit geometries; frames that take wider tires and >>> fenders and racks; and above all Grant's signature "feel" and handling >>> qualities. He said himself, long ago (I signed up as a member in1994) that >>> Rivendell was "product driven, not market driven". Now I don't think >>> Rivendel today is market driven -- I think it drives its own little market, >>> in fact -- but I have seen a trend toward style, albeit idiosyncratic, over >>> function -- tweed mudflaps, dual top tubes on smaller frames, and so forth. >>> >>> So, you say: go elsewhere. But I have emotion invested in Rivendell -- >>> I've owned 5 over the years, not to mention huge quantities of other gear >>> -- and therefore I feel sad when I see what appears to me to be >>> unreasonable designs. >>> >>> So, I believe I do have a right to my own feelings and opinions about >>> Rivendell -- long may it reign! >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Peter Morgano >>> <uscpet...@gmail.com<javascript:> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I think there are far worse things to be rather sad about, a bit >>>> melodramatic isn't it? >>>> On Oct 16, 2013 11:22 PM, "Patrick Moore" <bert...@gmail.com<javascript:>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Y'know, I didn't have to make that negative remark -- I know may >>>>> listers like the dtts. But, to justify my remark, as far as it needs to >>>>> be >>>>> justified, I feel rather sad that Grant seems to have put style (a weird >>>>> one, admittedly) over function. Or am I wrong, and does a dtt on a 56 cm >>>>> frame serve a real function? >>>>> >>>>> Patrick "don't want to be negative, really" Moore >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Curtis <cmc...@gmail.com<javascript:> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nice bike for the tall folks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-A-Homer-Hilsen-71cm-randonneur-build-/221299081509?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3386740125 >>>>>> >>>>>> Ride Safe, >>>>>> >>>>>> Curtis >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>>>>> . >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* >>>>> Certified Resume Writer >>>>> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html >>>>> patric...@resumespecialties.com <javascript:> >>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ >>>>> >>>>> Albuquerque, NM >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>>>> . >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>>> . >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* >>> Certified Resume Writer >>> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html >>> patric...@resumespecialties.com <javascript:> >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ >>> >>> Albuquerque, NM >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>> . >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to >> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > *RESUMES THAT GET YOU NOTICED!* > Certified Resume Writer > http://resumespecialties.com/index.html > patric...@resumespecialties.com <javascript:> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ > > Albuquerque, NM > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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