Thanks Ron.  IMO those Japanese Schwinns were as close as one would find to 
the Riv model in the U.S. at the time. The owner did a great job on the 
restoration too.

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:46:19 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Matthew, there was a very trick '73 (Japanese) World Voyager posted on the 
> CABE yesterday  
> http://thecabe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?51177-1973-Schwinn-World-Voyageur
>
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:25:50 AM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> As I understand the history, Waterford is a direct successor from the 
>> factory originally started by Wastyn and Schwinn to build Paramounts.
>>
>> The U.S. did not really have a Rivendell-like company in the 1960s. 
>>  Schwinn was still dominant at the time.  The Chicago facility made Schwinn 
>> branded bikes and many of the smaller name and department store bikes of 
>> that era.
>>
>> There were a few individual builders making lugged frames, but no one 
>> selling comparable numbers to Riv.  Maybe the closest were the quality 
>> lugged frames Schwinn brought over from Japan.  Without googling, I do not 
>> recall off hand whether the Japanese Schwinns were available in the 1960s 
>> or 1970s.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:51:20 AM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree Paramounts are gorgeous handmade frames, and is likely the 
>>> pinnacle of American handmade bicycles during the time - and maybe the only 
>>> example we'll come up with..  Does it count the same as the branded 
>>> Waterford frames?  
>>> But if you look at the flagships, Varsity vs. Grand Prix - there are two 
>>> different manufacturing approaches from opposite sides of the pond to 
>>> produce a bicycle in the 70s.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:30:50 AM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Schwinn was making beautiful, lugged Paramounts back in those days. 
>>>> Those bikes are very collectable and are still ridden today.
>>>>
>>>> Eric N
>>>> www.CampyOnly.com
>>>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>>>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Michael <john1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Who made the USA's finest lugged, steel, frames back then and what were 
>>>> the prices like?
>>>>
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