Live on the floor for 21 days and you'll be lifting your foot however high you'd like. I often just go over the top bar with my foot rather than swing round back (especially loaded for touring). Who knows? It might even help you get back the foot you left in your mouth believing skirt includes kilts. Grin.
With abandon, Patrick On Friday, January 10, 2014 9:52:34 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > I guess it would be useful if you are sufficiently flexible. I could never > lift my knee high enough to get it comfortably over the diagonal tubes > without danger of catching my toes and falling over. > > BTW, skirt include kilts. > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:50 AM, cyclotourist > <cyclot...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> Step through the frame to mount, rather than swinging a leg up around the >> back. Much more civilized. >> >> Cheers, >> David >> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Patrick Moore >> <bert...@gmail.com<javascript:> >> > wrote: >> >>> Serious question: What's the point of a mixte if you don't wear skirts? >>> To put it another way: why are they so popular? >>> >>> Patrick Moore, who has owned at least two with the extra stays and dual >>> down tubes. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Pam Ellen Hudson >>> <pammi...@gmail.com<javascript:> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I will say, as the owner of a double tube mixte custom from Royal H >>>> (the lovelybike frame that was stolen but I got back!). The bike is >>>> unusually flexible at high speeds going downhill. There is quite a bit of >>>> flex in the frame generally. I will test it out with lowered panniers in >>>> the next month and let me know of the results. My frame is simply >>>> pristine >>>> -- but I had always been a roadie -- so for me the difference was >>>> significant. I think that makes the mixte frame not the best choice for >>>> rando events or touring -- it does make a good commuter and is good for >>>> long rides though. >>>> >>>> My thoughts. >>>> >>>> On Jan 9, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Matthew J <matth...@gmail.com <javascript:>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > I meant to say that I prefer the looks of the "double lateral tube" >>>> style of step through bike than the "single diagatube" style. :) >>>> >>>> > SOMA Buena Vista is a nice "double lateral tube" design. >>>> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8261188891_959b6b76ea_o.jpg >>>> >>>> The double tubes look nice and from the right builder can be a decent >>>> bike. A lot of those double tubes are very flexible though and not in the >>>> planing sort of way. Riv (and others) single tube down tends to make a >>>> stronger bike. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:04:20 PM UTC-6, Tim Gavin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I didn't mean to start a pedantic discussion around the term "mixte:" >>>>> (but thanks for the background info, Jan and co.) Though I used it with >>>>> what seems to be a widely held distinction (at least in US). >>>>> >>>>> I meant to say that I prefer the looks of the "double lateral tube" >>>>> style of step through bike than the "single diagatube" style. :) >>>>> >>>>> SOMA Buena Vista is a nice "double lateral tube" design. >>>>> http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8348/8261188891_959b6b76ea_o.jpg >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Jan Heine <hei...@earthlink.net>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Interestingly, "mixte" seems to have a clear definition more in the >>>>>> U.S. than in France. Of the great constructeurs, I've only seen the term >>>>>> "mixte" used in the Goéland catalogue. Most speak of "vélo dame" or >>>>>> similar >>>>>> terms. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regarding the frame design, the twin-diagonal-tubed mixte was >>>>>> invented by A. Sixt in the 1930s, as a more triangulated design that was >>>>>> intended to make the frame stiffer than the traditional women's frames >>>>>> with >>>>>> a deeply dropped or even curved diagonal tube. He also used twin >>>>>> diagonal >>>>>> tubes to stiffen tandem frames. >>>>>> >>>>>> Around 1938, the great constructeur Reyhand developed a more >>>>>> sophisticated frame design, with a dropped single top tube and two extra >>>>>> seatstays. In profile, it looks similar to the twin-diagonal-tubed >>>>>> frame. >>>>>> To stiffen the connection at the center of the frame, the extra stays >>>>>> extend beyond the seat tube and attach to the diagonal tube as well. >>>>>> André >>>>>> Reiss, the maker of Reynand, patented this design, as well as a tandem >>>>>> frame with two sets of diagonal reinforcement stays (one set from the >>>>>> head >>>>>> tube to the rear BB, the other from the front seat lug to the rear >>>>>> dropouts). After Reiss died in World War II, the designs were widely >>>>>> copied. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can see examples of these designs in the Bicycle Quarterly "Image >>>>>> Archive" at >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.bikequarterly.com/color_photo_supplement.html >>>>>> >>>>>> The twin-diagonal-tubed mixte was much easier to make, and thus >>>>>> remained popular among mass producers. I don't think Sheldon Brown was >>>>>> even >>>>>> aware of the second "Reyhand" type when he coined his definition of >>>>>> mixte, >>>>>> but he was thinking of women's frames with either a dropped top tube >>>>>> with >>>>>> no extra rear stays (which puts bending loads on the seat tube and thus >>>>>> offends engineers) or the twin-diagonal-tubed "mixte." More recently, >>>>>> Rivendell inspired its mixtes on the "Reyhand" type, but without >>>>>> extending >>>>>> the extra stays beyond the seat tube. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan Heine >>>>>> Editor >>>>>> Bicycle Quarterly >>>>>> www.bikequarterly.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>>> . >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>>> . >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Burque (NM) >>> >>> Resumes that get interviews: >>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/ >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >>> . >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to >> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > Burque (NM) > > Resumes that get interviews: > http://www.resumespecialties.com/ > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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