So Trigger will continue to be denied his rightful place among the participants traced in cataloging records for the many Roy Rogers movies and televison shows? The Hollywood animal kingdom weeps at the thought. Me, too. It's almost like not tracing Nigel Bruce for Sherlock Holmes films.
Mike Tribby Senior Cataloger Quality Books Inc. The Best of America's Independent Presses mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com -----Original Message----- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Brenndorfer, Thomas Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 2:31 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Sneaky Pie and Rita Mae Brown There does appear to be a bias in RDA towards real people, and so animals as performers (contributors to an expression) are not on. In RDA, the "Person" entity wraps into itself information about other entities, such as the "individual" (a real person), as well as a narrow pre-condition in terms of bibliographic roles or relationships. The definition for the RDA Person entity is a definition about the identity of an "individual" (that is, an individual real human being). An RDA Person can be an individual, or any identity established or assumed by an individual (or group of individuals collaboratively)-- RDA 8.1.2. Pseudonyms and "other identities" (which I take to include fictitious characters) are covered under the "alternate identity" relationship designator. (RDA K.2.1) This means to me that whatever identity is established, assumed, chosen, or borrowed, it can become an identity for a different Person, even if one biological individual is behind the scenes. I would take that to mean that the borrowed identity could even be the name of an object or concept, not just a fictitious character or non-human creature. I look at some of the examples in RDA 9.2.2.21 as ways of indicating just how far identities can go in resembling objects or concepts: 8Ball 50 Cent 3PM I wouldn't take any of this to mean that we should code all other entities in anticipation that the label might be used as an identity for a Person. A fictitious character is one entity. A Person in RDA terms that has the name of a fictitious character is a different entity. It's about how an individual uses an identity, and what the bibliographic relationships are. If the individual (that is, the real person) has an established identity, then the relationship designator, "real identity", should be used when other identities exist. If the individual (that is, the real person) does not have a separate established identity, then RDA 9.2.3.4 kicks in and the "real name" of the individual becomes a variant name. RDA 9.2.3.4 also points to how an identity is established-- it has to have a bibliographic relationship like creator or contributor. I wonder if this instruction will be expanded when RDA adds subject entities, since a Person can be the subject of a work, and so another bibliographic relationship has to be considered. There is a current example in the authority files where the name of a character is used in two different situations: One entity-- a fictitious character (a Concept): 010 __ |a sh 95003948 040 __ |a OCoLC |c DLC 150 __ |a Fletcher, Jessica (Fictitious character) 450 __ |a Jessica Fletcher (Fictitious character) 670 __ |a Work cat.: Bain, D. Rum and razors, c1995 |b (Jessica Fletcher) Another entity-- a Person, Donald Bain, with Related "Persons"-- that is, pseudonyms. The variant name Fletcher, Jessica, 1935- is already constructed as an access point for a Person, although here only as a reference. In RDA, that Person should have a separate identity, and the relationship designator from Donald Bain-- "alternate identity". 010 __ |a n 50020867 |z n 88181805 035 __ |a (OCoLC)oca00056294 040 __ |a DLC |b eng |c DLC |d DLC |d OCl |d OCoLC |d MdU 053 _0 |a PS3552.A376 100 1_ |a Bain, Donald, |d 1935- 400 1_ |a Fletcher, Jessica, |d 1935- 500 1_ |w nnnc |a Lundy, Mike 500 1_ |w nnnc |a Baker, Trudy 500 1_ |w nnnc |a Jones, Rachel, |d 1935- 663 __ |a For works of this author entered under other names, search also under |b Baker, Trudy |b Jones, Rachel, 1935- |b Lundy, Mike 670 __ |a Lake, V. Veronica, 1969. 670 __ |a His Gin and daggers, c1989: |b CIP t.p. (Jessica Fletcher and Donald Bain) 670 __ |a Contemporary authors, v. 180 |b (Bain, Donald, 1935- ; pseuds.: Mike Lundy, Trudy Baker, Rachel Jones; wrote several vols. in the "Murder she wrote" mystery novel series featuring fictional television sleuth Jessica Fletcher; has written many of his more than 75 fiction and nonfiction books on a wide range of topics as a ghost writer or under assorted pseuds.) 670 __ |a Wikipedia, July 17, 2008 |b (Donald Bain; b. 1935; author and ghostwriter) 952 __ |a "Jessica Fletcher" is a fictitious author. ta01 12-7-92 I would take the RDA instructions to mean that it doesn't matter what the identity of a Person resembles. It doesn't matter that an "individual" can be multiple Persons. The decisions about creating Person entities in the first place shouldn't be swayed by the pre-existence of subject headings for fictitious characters, or any other kind of subject or any other entity. It's all about the identity used by an individual, and the bibliographic relationships at play. Thomas Brenndorfer Guelph Public Library > -----Original Message----- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. > Schiff > Sent: April 29, 2011 1:47 PM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] Sneaky Pie and Rita Mae Brown > > We don't provide cross-refs in authority records for human actors from > the names of the characters that they play. I would suggest the same > principal applies to non-human living beings. AACR2 does not allow us > to provide access points for animal actors, so this has not been an > issue for most us. With RDA, we will have to work out best practices. > > Adam > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Adam L. Schiff > Principal Cataloger > University of Washington Libraries > Box 352900 > Seattle, WA 98195-2900 > (206) 543-8409 > (206) 685-8782 fax > asch...@u.washington.edu > http://faculty.washington.edu/~aschiff > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Mike Tribby wrote: > > >> I don't think that all of the real-life dog and cat subjects in > >> LCSH were > established for them as creators/contributors to works. I suspect > that most of them were established for works about them rather than by them. > > > > What about animal "actors"? Any change in tracing Trigger, Francis > > the > talking mule, or Lassie? In the past, problems like the fact that more > than one dog portrayed the character Lassie have muddied the waters on > whether or how to trace them on records for moving image titles which > list the animals as participants. I long to start adding Asta as a 700 > to the Thin Man movie records. Of course I'd have to establish him > first. And what of Toto? Should he ultimately be traced in a 700 as > Terry (Dog)-- and his heading in I, Toto changed to a 600? He's billed as > Toto, not Terry in Wizard of Oz... > > > > > > Mike Tribby > > Senior Cataloger > > Quality Books Inc. > > The Best of America's Independent Presses > > > > mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3604 - Release Date: 04/29/11 06:34:00
