Re: [RDA-L] Dr. Snoopy

[Adam L. Schiff]

Yes, that sounds about right to me Keith.  Unless the books somehow 
indicate that Sneaky Pie is the predominant creator (through typography 
for example), the first named creator would be used as part of the 
authorized access point for the work, which would translated into a 100 
field for Rita Mae and a 700 added entry for Sneaky Pie.

Whether the authority record for Rita Mae gets linked via a 500 to the 
authority record for Sneaky Pie (and vice versa) is an interesting 
question, but I think the answer is no.  We don't normally link authority 
records for two persons who co-author a work.  And this is not a case 
where Sneaky Pie is an alternate identity of Rita Mae.  Sneaky's an actual 
non-human being.  There IS a relationship between the two but at present 
we don't have relationship designators establish to record the 
relationship between owner and pet.  (Neither do we record relationships 
between spouses, siblings, parents/children, etc. in our authority 
records).  So I think the answer to you question is that Sneaky Pie gets 
removed from the name authority for Rita Mae, and gets his (her?) own 
authority record with no 500 references between them.

Adam

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Keith R. Trimmer wrote:

So under RDA, the authority record for Rita Mae Brown gets changed and one 
400 for Sneaky Pie Brown becomes a 500 because we now need a new authority 
record for her cat, since they co-wrote the Mrs. Murphy mysteries together. 
The other 400 would be moved from Rita Mae's record to the new one for Sneaky 
Pie.  Right?

And on all of the bib records, they'd still be entered under Rita Mae, since 
her name comes first on the title page, and Sneaky Pie gets an added entry..

Keith Trimmer
Head, Serials, Music and Japanese Cataloging Section
USC Libraries
Los Angeles

On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Adam L. Schiff wrote:

Of course Superman and Clark Kent are only subject headings.  Have they 
created any resources like Dr. Snoopy has?   ;-)

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Principal Cataloger
University of Washington Libraries
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Deborah Tomares wrote:

Here's the thing, though. Snoopy doesn't have the profession of author,
because as we all know, he didn't really write the book. He is a 
fictitious
dog, lacking in digits and English language necessary to put out the work
he "authored" (even in the cartoons, he never speaks). So I don't believe
we can, or should, apply the same rules and standards to him that we do to
real, live, preferably human authors.

And yes--I would have one heading for both Superman and Clark Kent. And it
would be a subject heading, not a personal name heading. That's where I
believe fictitious characters belong, and where most users would expect to
find them. As in my Spiderman example before, I don't think it would
benefit anyone, cataloger or user, to have to constantly revise and sift
through the changeable natures/personae/call-them-what-you-will of
fictitious characters. Because they aren't real, so aren't bound by rules
of reality, to attempt to impose reality upon them seems to me wrong and
not useful.

Deborah Tomaras, NACO Coordinator
Librarian II
Western European Languages Team
New York Public Library
Library Services Center
31-11 Thomson Ave.
Long Island City, N.Y. 11101
(917) 229-9561
dtoma...@nypl.org

Disclaimer: Alas, my ideas are merely my own, and not indicative of New
York Public Library policy.



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 Date:       04/27/2011 12:51 PM

 Subject:    Re: [RDA-L] Dr. Snoopy

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Unless one assumes that Dr. Snoopy is somehow different from plain
Snoopy,
and would advocate a series of maybe linked authorities for each
differing
guise of a character. Mr. Schouten, for example, claims that: "even
fictional characters are entitled to their own Personae". But I would
argue
against this route for multiple reasons. Fictitious character cannot
truly
have professions, so they aren't really different "persons" despite the
guise;

But in this example, the publication presents Dr. Snoopy as the author,
which causes the fictional character to have the profession of author.

Would you also have 1 heading for both Clark Kent and Superman?


Peter Schouten