There's also the possibility that the "complete works" can be published while the author is still alive; so they're "complete" (whatever that might mean) as of the time of publication, but there may be more in the future.
Gary L. Strawn, Authorities Librarian, etc. Twitter: GaryLStrawn Northwestern University Library, 1970 Campus Drive, Evanston IL 60208-2300 e-mail: mrsm...@northwestern.edu voice: 847/491-2788 fax: 847/491-8306 Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit. BatchCat version: 2007.25.428 From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Gary Hough Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:03 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 6.2.2.10 and 6.27.1.9 While there is a theoretical sense in which an author can write only one "complete works," in actual practice there are decisions to be made by a compiler about what "complete" means. Does one include juvenilia, drafts, alternate versions, and other unpublished materials? Then there are compilations made at different stages of an author's career, or works that are discovered after an earlier "complete works" is published. I'm not sure if this observation changes the concept that different complete works are in fact the same "Work" in the WEMI universe, but it does reinforce my sense that the WEMI distinctions can be a bit blurry. Gary Gary Hough Head, Information Resources Management Dept. W.E.B. Du Bois Library University of Massachusetts Amherst, MA 01003 phone: (413) 545-6856 email: gho...@library.umass.edu From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Robert Maxwell Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 6:55 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 6.2.2.10 and 6.27.1.9 I confess to having been part of the writing of the NACO Module 6 training materials, but the more I think about it the more realize I've changed my mind about the nature of aggregate works that purport to be the complete works of an author. I believe there can only be a single such aggregate work (after all, an author can only write one "complete works"), and that variations are expressions of that work. (I do stand by the NACO Module 6 position that different "selections" are different works.) Bob Robert L. Maxwell Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Chew Chiat Naun Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 3:27 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 6.2.2.10 and 6.27.1.9 A few comments on this very interesting thread. In MARC date qualifiers are ambiguous between works and expressions. Always sticking dates in $f with the old-style punctuation perpetuates this ambiguity. The problem affects not only conventional collective titles, but potentially also any work or expression authorized access point that needs to be differentiated. We need a new set of conventions for punctuation and/or subfielding, perhaps even a redefinition of the MARC subfields, to get around this problem. For example, I've seen it proposed that for works we give date qualifiers in parentheses without separating them into another subfield. But I don't know if there is a consensus about this. (I know there is some debate about whether it is feasible to retrofit existing bib records with RDA work and expression AAPs at this date, and whether constructing unique AAPs is indeed the way we should be trying to differentiate works and expressions. Those are good questions. But if we are in fact going to do RDA in MARC, we will need to clarify our practices.) I agree with Kevin Randall that a compilation, like any other work, is best identified by the title it is published with (or rather an AAP based on same). Even if by some misfortune it fails to become known by that title, it's hard to see that the solution is to catalogue it with a title no ordinary user would know it by. I agree also with Robert Maxwell that compilations purporting to be the complete works of a single author are (usually) best treated as the same aggregate work. It's probably worth pointing out, however, that the NACO Module 6 training materials for works and expressions currently reflect a different position. -- Chew Chiat Naun Director, Cataloging & Metadata Services 110D Olin Library Cornell University (607) 254 8031<tel:%28607%29%20254%208031> On 16 December 2013 07:18, Adam Schiff <asch...@u.washington.edu<mailto:asch...@u.washington.edu>> wrote: They are considered separate compilation works, assuming that they have different contents. The PCC NACO training says to add additional work element (date, place of origin, or other distinguishing characteristic) to the conventional collective title. The date is probably NOT the best thing to add, although it's one option. Many NACO libraries are adding the title proper of the collection instead, since it may better aid in identification, for example: X. Poems. Selections (Best of X's poetry) Some catalogers are not happy with this practice, and would prefer to consider the title of the compilation to be the preferred title by which the compilation is known. LC's policy, however, implies that the compiled work does not become known by its title except through the passage of time (e.g. Whitman's Leaves of Grass), and that for newly published compiled works, a conventional collective title must be used instead. Incidentally, although the RDA instructions do seem to be clear that the date would be added in parentheses as you have done, in practice in MARC these are being added in subfield $f following a period: X. $t Poems. $k Selections. $f 2010 Adam Schiff Principal Cataloger University of Washington Libraries -----Original Message----- From: Heidrun Wiesenmüller Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 12:41 AM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA<mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> Subject: [RDA-L] 6.2.2.10 and 6.27.1.9 I am uncertain about the relationship of 6.2.2.10 (Recording the Preferred Title for a Compilation of Works of One Person, Family, or Corporate Body) and 6.27.1.9 (Additions to Access Points Representing Works) - both in theory and in practice. If I've got two different collections of works of the same creator, e.g.: "Selected poems / X" "Best of X's poetry" Both get the collective title "Poems. Selections" according to 6.2.2.10.2. But for the AAP, am I now supposed to add some additional attribute according to 6.27.1.9, e.g.: X. Poems. Selections (1995) X. Poems. Selections (2010) In short, my question is whether RDA considers the two different poetry collections as two different works (which must then be distinguished in the AAP) or as the same work (then, of course, no additional attribute would be necessary in the AAP). I'm also interested in the general practice. I know that LC used to add dates (at least in the case of complete works and selected works), but that this practice has now been abandoned. So I assume that LC now never distinguishes between different collections of the same type. What do others do? Heidrun -- --------------------- Prof. Heidrun Wiesenmueller M.A. Stuttgart Media University Wolframstr. 32, 70191 Stuttgart, Germany www.hdm-stuttgart.de/bi<http://www.hdm-stuttgart.de/bi> To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca<mailto:lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca> In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca<mailto:lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca> In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca<mailto:lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca> In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca<mailto:lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca> In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from the address you are subscribed under to: lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca In the body of the message: SIGNOFF RDA-L
