Yes, I agree that different selections (whether compilations of works or compilations of parts of works) are different aggregate works, and so need to be identified separately.
Bob Robert L. Maxwell Ancient Languages and Special Collections Cataloger 6728 Harold B. Lee Library Brigham Young University Provo, UT 84602 (801)422-5568 "We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842. -----Original Message----- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam Schiff Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 6:47 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 6.2.2.10 and 6.27.1.9 I think no one has thought of that one yet, Pete! We don't have examples of such in the NACO training materials and I haven't run across one in authority records (but that doesn't mean that it hasn't been done. Would like to hear what Bob Maxwell thinks about this. Adam Schiff University of Washington Libraries -----Original Message----- From: Wilson, Pete Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:10 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 6.2.2.10 and 6.27.1.9 Thanks for these and your later set of examples, Adam. Should we be doing something similar for works that are selections from a single larger work, rather than collective works? Certainly there is no reason to think that one book of selections from, say, Paradise Lost would have the same content as another. Are we making headings like: Milton, John, $d 1608-1674. $t Paradise lost. $k Selections (Best of Paradise lost) or Milton, John, $d 1608-1674. $t Paradise lost. $k Selections (2012)? Pete Wilson Vanderbilt University -----Original Message----- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam L. Schiff Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 9:21 PM To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 6.2.2.10 and 6.27.1.9 no2013093410 Adémar, $c de Chabannes, $d 988-1034. $t Works. $k Selections (Opera liturgica et poetica) n 85278491 Anastasius, $c Sinaita, Saint, $d active 640-700. $t Works. $k Selections $s (Sermones duo in constitutionem hominis secundum imaginem Dei) no2010055326 Raabe, Wilhelm, $d 1831-1910. $t Works. $k Selections (Knaur Klassiker) n 83731844 Friml, Rudolf, $d 1879-1972. $t Works. $k Selections (Rudolf Friml music & piano playing series) no2012109956 Raabe, Wilhelm, $d 1831-1910. $t Correspondence. $k Selections (Fehse) no 00038058 Coward, Noel, $d 1899-1973. $t Works. $k Selections (Methuen Publishing Ltd.) no 99050925 Foote, Horton. $t Plays. $k Selections (Newbury, Vt.) The final three illustrate other choices for the qualifier besides date or manifestation title of the compilation. Some of the examples are series authority records, but the principle is the same as for other types of aggregate works. For series we were already adding an additional qualifier to distinguish them. Now we are doing it for all works. The second example probably should not have subfield $s preceding the parenthetical qualifier. Adam Schiff On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Wilson, Pete wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 01:44:25 +0000 > From: "Wilson, Pete" <pete.wil...@vanderbilt.edu> > Reply-To: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > Access > <RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA> > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 6.2.2.10 and 6.27.1.9 > > Adam--Can you give any examples of NACO authority records that have > qualifiers like your "Best of X's poetry?" I have been unable to turn > any up and am curious. Thanks. > > Pete Wilson > Vanderbilt University > > -----Original Message----- > From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and > Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of Adam Schiff > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 6:19 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: Re: [RDA-L] 6.2.2.10 and 6.27.1.9 > > They are considered separate compilation works, assuming that they > have different contents. The PCC NACO training says to add additional > work element (date, place of origin, or other distinguishing > characteristic) to the conventional collective title. The date is > probably NOT the best thing to add, although it's one option. Many > NACO libraries are adding the title proper of the collection instead, > since it may better aid in identification, for example: > > X. Poems. Selections (Best of X's poetry) > > Some catalogers are not happy with this practice, and would prefer to > consider the title of the compilation to be the preferred title by > which the compilation is known. LC's policy, however, implies that > the compiled work does not become known by its title except through > the passage of time (e.g. > Whitman's Leaves of Grass), and that for newly published compiled > works, a conventional collective title must be used instead. > > Incidentally, although the RDA instructions do seem to be clear that > the date would be added in parentheses as you have done, in practice > in MARC these are being added in subfield $f following a period: > > X. $t Poems. $k Selections. $f 2010 > > Adam Schiff > Principal Cataloger > University of Washington Libraries > > -----Original Message----- > From: Heidrun Wiesenmüller > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 12:41 AM > To: RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA > Subject: [RDA-L] 6.2.2.10 and 6.27.1.9 > > I am uncertain about the relationship of 6.2.2.10 (Recording the > Preferred Title for a Compilation of Works of One Person, Family, or > Corporate Body) and 6.27.1.9 (Additions to Access Points Representing > Works) - both in theory and in practice. > > If I've got two different collections of works of the same creator, e.g.: > "Selected poems / X" > "Best of X's poetry" > Both get the collective title "Poems. Selections" according to 6.2.2.10.2. > > But for the AAP, am I now supposed to add some additional attribute > according to 6.27.1.9, e.g.: > X. Poems. Selections (1995) > X. Poems. Selections (2010) > > In short, my question is whether RDA considers the two different > poetry collections as two different works (which must then be > distinguished in the AAP) or as the same work (then, of course, no > additional attribute would be necessary in the AAP). > > I'm also interested in the general practice. I know that LC used to > add dates (at least in the case of complete works and selected works), > but that this practice has now been abandoned. So I assume that LC now > never distinguishes between different collections of the same type. > What do others do? > > Heidrun > > -- > --------------------- > Prof. Heidrun Wiesenmueller M.A. > Stuttgart Media University > Wolframstr. 32, 70191 Stuttgart, Germany www.hdm-stuttgart.de/bi > > To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from > the address you are subscribed under to: > lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca > In the body of the message: > SIGNOFF RDA-L > > To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from > the address you are subscribed under to: > lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca > In the body of the message: > SIGNOFF RDA-L > > To unsubscribe from RDA-L send an e-mail to the following address from > the address you are subscribed under to: > lists...@listserv.lac-bac.gc.ca > In the body of the message: > SIGNOFF RDA-L > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Adam L. 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