Check out the hardy Diesel15 kW Perkins It's available and integrated fuel tank single or double walland a whole bunch of other goodies including autostart comes along with it
Like I mentioned in the last message the The folks I know they're in real cool places put them in a small insulated building with a small propane wall heater Starting doesn't seem to be an issue and the belief is that it is cheaper than running an electric heater Later Bob > On Apr 29, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Dana <d...@solarwork.com> wrote: > > Ditto here, if there is a 10-15KW, 1800 RPM water cooled generator out there, > please share. The EPA requirements & definitions have killed every source I > have had. An air cooled 3600 RPM generator is good for about 2000+/- hours > before rebuild or replacement. Add to that the noise levels @ 3600 RPM, yuck. > There is a real biz opportunity here for a company to fill this niche. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dana Orzel > Great Solar Works, Inc - NABCEP # 051112-136 > E - d...@solarwork.com - Web - solarwork.com > O - 970.626.5253 C - 208.721.7003 > "Responsible Technologies for Responsible People since 1988" > P Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On > Behalf Of Ray Walters > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 5:15 PM > To: RE-wrenches > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid generator update? > > I haven't seen anything from them that looks like what we're after We'd be > looking for 10kW to 15 kW water cooled 1800 rpm. Propane fired. > Everyone makes models in the 30kW + range that fit the bill, but most off > grid systems don't need anything that big. > Do you have a model that I should be looking at? > > Thanks, > > R.Ray Walters > CTO, Solarray, Inc > Nabcep Certified PV Installer, > Licensed Master Electrician > Solar Design Engineer > 303 505-8760 > On 4/28/2016 5:00 PM, jerrysgarage01 wrote: > Have you looked at Cummins, we have have great luck and no programming > issues but battery charging needs to be added foroff grid > Jerry > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Ray Walters > Date:04/28/2016 7:28 AM (GMT-10:00) > To: RE-wrenches > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid generator update? > > FYI, generally we haven't had cold start issues with propane units, as long > as the pipe is sized properly ( as mentioned in another recent post) and the > starter battery is kept fully charged. > This is based on about 20 years experience in the Rockies with temps below 0, > but not 40 below. We don't use block heaters, carb heaters, etc. > We currently have been using Generac Ecogen, but not that happy with them. > Cheap air cooled motor, way too many computer gizmos, no on board charging > (must have AC power or PV to charge the starting battery) We even had to > call customer service to get an authorization code to set up remote start. > This is off grid with no internet or cell service; ridiculous. I hope > Generac reps are lurking here, because these are really not much better than > the crop of stand by generators. > IMO no off grid generator should have a phantom load, or require cell > service to commission. What happened to the old water cooled Kohlers? > > > R.Ray Walters > CTO, Solarray, Inc > Nabcep Certified PV Installer, > Licensed Master Electrician > Solar Design Engineer > 303 505-8760 > On 4/28/2016 11:17 AM, Jeremy Rodriguez wrote: > Check out Gillette generators. Made in Indiana > 12.5 kW w Subaru > > Jeremy Rodriguez > Solar Installation And Design Expert > All Solar, Inc. > 1463 M St > Penrose Colorado 81240 > > Sent by Jeremy's iPhone. Sorry for typos and shorthand! > > On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Lena Wilensky <l...@nunatakenergy.com> wrote: > > I did some searches on the list for what folks are doing for off-grid propane > generators these days, but all the threads I found were from 5-6 yrs ago, so > I was hoping to get some more current info. > > We're looking for about a 10kw+ propane unit (big derate at altitude), and we > run into 2 main problem areas: > > First is the warranty - either there are no units warranteed for off-grid > use, or there are only a couple of models and the warranty is short (1 year). > > Second, and perhaps larger, is all the loads that now come with the > "off-grid" units. The computer takes some, but mostly the "cold weather kit" > aka carb heater must be installed in our climate (to actually start, but also > for warrantee), and it's set up to be on a thermostat (read: "on all the time > from Nov-April" here in the mountains). According to the Kohler tech support > it takes a steady 50W. We have set up older units to do battery charge only > during the day, and have the carb heater on a manual switch, but it sounds > like we can't really get at these circuits anymore since they're all > pre-configured and pre-wired in the guts of the genset computer. > > The Kohler and Onan support folks said both these issues are due to EPA > considering off-grid use as prime power as opposed to standby, so they are > held to tougher emissions standards. > > Whatever the reasons, we're wondering what people are actually doing these > days - still the standby units they kind-of warrantee for off-grid? 12RES > from Kohler and the 13kw unit from Onan? Generac? Have folks been going > back to the smaller gas units from Honda and running them more? And how are > cold climate folks dealing with the heating issue? > > Any suggestions appreciated! > > Lena Wilensky > > www.nunatakenergy.com > 970-642-5554 > NABCEP Certified PV Installer: > Cert. #R02907-17 > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org > > > _______________________________________________ > List sponsored by Redwood Alliance > > List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org > > Change listserver email address & settings: > http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org > > List-Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org/maillist.html > > List rules & etiquette: > www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm > > Check out or update participant bios: > www.members.re-wrenches.org >
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